Parish Records in Latin - 16th Century

[Janer1]

in parish records can anyone tell me the meaning of the words Ipse and idem, as sometimes they are used very often, and cannot mean the "same John" or "John himself" if they are used so frequently? Many thanks."

[Alibobs]

Ipse - himself
Idem - the same

[matt1e]

ipse -a -um [self]; 'ego ipse' , [I myself]; [the very, actual]; with numbers, et., [just, exactly]; of action, [by oneself, of one's own accord].
idem eadem idem [the same]; with dat. , or ac, et, etc., [the same as]; by way of addition, [also]; of contrast, [yet]; 'alter idem', [a second self].

[dot.hawkes]

I know what you mean, the ecclesiastical use of this sort of Latin is annoying sometimes , as though the person recording something in the registers was trying to sound over officious, in the 16th century the Latin was becoming careless and the scholars of the Old Latin less abundant. It was a slow change which saw some lazy and pointless words used over and over again to make the scriveners feel important, IMO.

[Janer1]

Thanks for the answers. I know what the precise meaning of the words are, but wondered why they are used so frequently and seemingly unnecessarily in parish records. Can anyone suggest a translation that would preserve the historical feeling of the text?