How can the Labour party justify ..

[theonlyone]

paying �500+ a week for criminals to have
a soft life in jail ..3 meals a day ..tv ..
fone ..drugs ..but are not interested in
caring for the elderly who have paid in
to the system ..or for drugs to give them
a better quality of life ...so what's the answer ?

[DrFilth]

shoot all politicians ?

[theonlyone]

yeah I wish ...

[cazzz1975]

they would only replace them with fresh politicians

bread and water and nuts to the human rights!

[theonlyone]

Human rights only apply to people
who now how too use them not
for the vunerable or elderly ...
Hooky hand didn't go to trial as he had
to have his toenails cut ...sad or what !!

[DrFilth]

replace the bullets and shoot the next lot

[shaking]

have a feeling they are all the same, just in politics to line their own pockets.

[Octavius]

I presume most of the money is spent on the staff and facilities that keep the criminals locked up?

Would you suggest we cut prison officer salaries, stop maintaining security systems and lay off the people who supply the food?

[ruby27]

There was a prison service prior to the labour administration.

Are you suggesting that Labour should have dismantled this service, what would you suggest happens to the criminals that we incacerated?

What leads you to consider that the government is less interested in the elderly? The pension payments have increased in real terms with this current government.

[slark]

ruby i love the way you say The pension payments have increased in real terms with this current government.
so have all the charges (real ) or is the checkout girl at the supermarket making up the prices as she goes along

[jake-the-peg]

Unfortunately private nursing homes are not covered by human rights legislation.

http://www.ecadviser.com/xq/asp/txtSearch.Care +Homes/exactphrase.1/sid.0/articleid.3C05D032- 6562-4C41-8419-F34A5918AB79/qx/display.htm

The answer there is to bring legislation to make them covered

As for soft prisons the answer is to stop reading the tabloids.

Nottingham
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2882031.stm
Wandsworth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3632 206.stm
Northern Ireland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/37 54738.stm

The list goes on

And when Prison officers talk of "breakfast in bed" they mean people locked in cells 23 hours a day with a tray pushed through a hatch!

[keyplus90]

I now called barbaric here but that is the reason there are no prison sentences in Islam. When you put someone in prison then money, place, people are required to keep few people locked. Where usually they do not suffer but instead they have almost 5 star holiday and become even better trained criminals with the help and expertise of the people they spend time with. Only people who suffer with that are their family members. Children do not have father or mother and would become vulnerable or dangerous to the society, wife would not have husband or vice versa.

Where I believe a quick session of flogging where pain is directly inflicted to the criminal and not the family, not very expensive either and best thing is that person is ready to go and get on with his, social, financial and family life.

[keyplus90]

Missed "k" in front of now, Should be Know

[Octavius]

Yes keyplus, but like it or lump we live in the 21st C now, not the 14th. And heaven forbid we lock up, or even flog, an innocent victim of rough justice.

[Gromit]

Your right.

Lets make all the prison officers, guards, canteen staff, and doctor work for nothing, that would reduce the weekly bill considerably.

Or Are you suggesting something more permanent for someone who has not paid her TV license?

[Octavius]

Actually keyplus, I think if I was the victim of some beastly crooked act, I would be a bit narked if the perpetrator was able to �get on� with his social, financial and family life within 10 minutes of being found guilty.

I imagine, in your example, depending on the offence of course, that the victim�s long term suffering would outweigh the short sharp shock, meted out against his/her antagonist.

[keyplus90]

Yes Octavius but here we are talking about different levels of crime and different levels of punishment. As far as your comment about 14th or 21st century is concerned, I would say that human nature is the same. And then 21st century punishments are not working and that is the reason we are answering this question. Then as you said about being innocent victim of rough justice then that is not acceptable any where. I always have said that before any punishment, justice system has to be humanly just. Unbiased mistakes can always happen and that is another reason I believe in God and the hereafter and tell my atheist friends here. Only God's justice is 100% unmistaken.

[Octavius]

No, I would say that human nature has developed in the last 600 years. Hacking our neighbours head off is no longer a prerequisite to survival. Of course in some parts of the world this is a desired act of hatred, and isolated incidences of feudal carnage go on I concede, but in the middle ages it was kill or be killed.

[david1702198]

i wouldnt feed the crooks anyway they are in jail for a reason. to suffer