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Thank God this has been opposed.
If we allowed this, children will be running riot in a few years, and a lot worse than it is now.
No wonder this Country has the worst % for underage sex, drugs, drink and violence in Europe.
We are to soft with kids today, that's why we have the Yob Culture.
Quote: Children's rights campaigners have said Government ministers should be ashamed, after a bid to ban smacking failed in the House of Commons without a vote.
Ministers opposed the cross-party move to outlaw all physical punishment of children by parents.
If we allowed this, children will be running riot in a few years, and a lot worse than it is now.
No wonder this Country has the worst % for underage sex, drugs, drink and violence in Europe.
We are to soft with kids today, that's why we have the Yob Culture.
Quote: Children's rights campaigners have said Government ministers should be ashamed, after a bid to ban smacking failed in the House of Commons without a vote.
Ministers opposed the cross-party move to outlaw all physical punishment of children by parents.
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Again, i think you're right Ronny. I've said this before on here, but one of the worst things I heard, came from a woman who I sat next to at a school do. She was saying that she couldn't wait for her 2-week holiday in France, as she was looking forward to spending "quality time" with her children. Two weeks, out of a YEAR? I told her I thought it was disgusting, and with a red face, she got up and moved! Some people seem to think that material things come first, but there's more to life than another games console - which dulls the kids' brains in the first place.
I had to get the bus into work today and got on the 367 bus, full of children from Edenham High (Croydon) I honestly felt I had entered a cage full of chimps, the behaviour was just raucous.
When I had to get my next bus, there were more of these sprogs littered around. Litter being the operative word, as having left the sweet shop, most of them used the floor as a rubbish bin, yet ther was an actual bin about a metre away.
An older lady got on the bus, with a pushchair with a baby and a toddler. She must have been their granny. The bus was still pretty packed, but when she tried to get off at her stop, these brats just jostled her and the toddler out of the way, so they could get off first.
This was not just a case of one or two of these kids behaving badly, there were quite a few. I don't understand, are they like this generally or is it just how they behave when they are with their peers?
Could it also be a class thing? I've observed the state school kids are just raw and tend to talk about Jah Rule or "Bussing / mashing someones head up" and the language they come out with, would put a fish wife to shame. Whereas the grammar and private school kids are quieter and tend to just talk about sports, chemistry and maths.
Perhaps there are just stricter bounderies at the better schools. I imagine the school would not want their reputation tarnished by publicly bad behaviour of it's pupils.
As I'm not a mother, I don't really know if smacking works or not, but things have changed. I bame the Internet and computer games personally.
When I had to get my next bus, there were more of these sprogs littered around. Litter being the operative word, as having left the sweet shop, most of them used the floor as a rubbish bin, yet ther was an actual bin about a metre away.
An older lady got on the bus, with a pushchair with a baby and a toddler. She must have been their granny. The bus was still pretty packed, but when she tried to get off at her stop, these brats just jostled her and the toddler out of the way, so they could get off first.
This was not just a case of one or two of these kids behaving badly, there were quite a few. I don't understand, are they like this generally or is it just how they behave when they are with their peers?
Could it also be a class thing? I've observed the state school kids are just raw and tend to talk about Jah Rule or "Bussing / mashing someones head up" and the language they come out with, would put a fish wife to shame. Whereas the grammar and private school kids are quieter and tend to just talk about sports, chemistry and maths.
Perhaps there are just stricter bounderies at the better schools. I imagine the school would not want their reputation tarnished by publicly bad behaviour of it's pupils.
As I'm not a mother, I don't really know if smacking works or not, but things have changed. I bame the Internet and computer games personally.
No - everyone has their own idea of how to bring their children up, but unfortunately, not enough know how to do it properly. I can't understand why grandparents and even great grandparents, don't see what's going off within the family, and have a quiet word. People seem to think it's Ok to drag their kids off to the pub with them, or to let them stay up until they like. Others just prefer to palm their offspring off onto child minders all the time. It's no wonder that kids rebel.
As for what Velvetee's just said, well I attended a private school, and believe me, there are a good few who go against the rules there, as well! Perhaps the reason that you don't get crowds of ps school children jostling on buses, is because most of them get picked up from school, so don't use public transport.
As for what Velvetee's just said, well I attended a private school, and believe me, there are a good few who go against the rules there, as well! Perhaps the reason that you don't get crowds of ps school children jostling on buses, is because most of them get picked up from school, so don't use public transport.
pinktwink,
They moved to Australia because their jobs and husbands took them there.
The oldest daughter was a pilot with BA who now works for the Flying Doctors in Aussie, the other met her husband in the UK at a wedding and now works with him in his own business.
They make frequent visits to see me and my wife and are very happy to be away from this Country from what they have seen what is going on.
They moved to Australia because their jobs and husbands took them there.
The oldest daughter was a pilot with BA who now works for the Flying Doctors in Aussie, the other met her husband in the UK at a wedding and now works with him in his own business.
They make frequent visits to see me and my wife and are very happy to be away from this Country from what they have seen what is going on.
I agree Ice Maiden, my own view is I have 3 very well rounded kids, I have when they were younger tapped/smacked them on the bum when their behaviour was disregarding either safety or were being obviously challenging the boundries set (which were always more than reasonable) my eldest is 17 and I would say in her life this happened about 3 times , I have a 16 year old who was smacked once having hit the 17 year old with a barbeque skewer when they were 7 &8 and an 8 year old who has been smacked once. I can still now (well I like to think so) stop their behaviour escalating by showing that I am getting angry. I do agree that talking to children about right and wrong is good, and have done this, and do do this. However, and I think it is a big however, if your kids don't see any emotion, such as anger, or how you are when you are angry, then potentially they think they haven't pressed enough buttons and need to increase their behaviour in order to invoke some emotion, be it anger, sadness etc and their job as growing up is to test boundries, unless you give them some they will continue until they hit the boundry. However I wanted this bill to be passed. just so I could stop the parents who physically abuse their kids in the likes of Asda carpark etc
curiosity well done on teaching your children respect and generally not using physical punishment. What i am confused about is the one incident you smacked your child for hitting his sister with a kebeb stick. you disciplined him for hitting his sister yet you hit him how did he learn from this smackin his sister is wrong when you smacked him?? isnt that a farce?
I can see your point, but it was a metal skewer which at the age he was, he had been taught would potentially cause harm, so in my view he intentionally meant to cause harm, and basically I panicked as their was blood spurting from her ear It was spur of the moment, which actually supports the ban, as it was my emotions rather than a thought trough punishment. Howver I think "thought through" punishments are sinister.
I see your point, curiousity. I once had to tap my youngest son on the fingers when he repeatedly went near a barbecue. It was so out of character for even THAT little thing, that my son was shocked, and retreated quickly. I then explained why I'd done it.
The boys aren't adverse to seeing anger, but it's not done in a screaming way. They can tell by my expression if I'm not pleased, or by what I say in response to misbehaviour. I can raise my voice without becoming frightening, as it might just be to emphasise a point. As I say, people have their own ways of controlling their children, but I'm quite happy to carry on with the teachings of my own parents. I can vividly remember being smacked just the once, for throwing some shoes into a puddle - repeatedly! Lol. Again, the shock of being slapped, although not hard, was enough to teach me not to try it again. It was also such an unusual thing to happen, that i've never forgotten it!
The boys aren't adverse to seeing anger, but it's not done in a screaming way. They can tell by my expression if I'm not pleased, or by what I say in response to misbehaviour. I can raise my voice without becoming frightening, as it might just be to emphasise a point. As I say, people have their own ways of controlling their children, but I'm quite happy to carry on with the teachings of my own parents. I can vividly remember being smacked just the once, for throwing some shoes into a puddle - repeatedly! Lol. Again, the shock of being slapped, although not hard, was enough to teach me not to try it again. It was also such an unusual thing to happen, that i've never forgotten it!
I agree curiosity in some ways, but giving punishment to some kids works, some it doesn't.
Parents who physically abuse their kids need locking up, but I am proud that my 4 kids are doing well, and if that gentle slap helped them when they were naughty, I apologise.
Nice to chat with most of you parents, must go to bed, byeee.
Parents who physically abuse their kids need locking up, but I am proud that my 4 kids are doing well, and if that gentle slap helped them when they were naughty, I apologise.
Nice to chat with most of you parents, must go to bed, byeee.
Yes Ice Maiden, I remember my lovely mother trying to control me and my sisters once hitting me on the back of my knees with her rubber backed slippers, it wasn't in a controlling way, it was a me running from the naughty scene slap, but I remember it. Basically when kids are grounded, secure and loved and respected they don't generally need to communicate with behaviours that need punishment. I know I'm a good parent and so do my kids, I do really feel for and get angry when I see not so good parents "disciplining" kids when actually they havent done anything other than behave appropriate for their age.
Night Ronny. I think that if things are kept within acceptable boundaries, then you have it right.
Also agree with pink. There's gentle discipline - and out and out abuse. The parents who fall into the latter category have no self-control, or were abused themselves - hence believing that this's the right thing to do.
Punishing abusers's become a farce. Anyone found to be mentally or physically inflicting pain on their children, should be slammed away for several years, and be forced to undergo long periods of anger management and parenting skills. I still think that the law should be changed though, to force unmarried pregnant girls to live at home, instead of being given social housing and benefits, whereupon they can't cope or manage. this is why many of them turn to drink and drugs, and then aren't able to bring their children up properly without getting angry.
Also agree with pink. There's gentle discipline - and out and out abuse. The parents who fall into the latter category have no self-control, or were abused themselves - hence believing that this's the right thing to do.
Punishing abusers's become a farce. Anyone found to be mentally or physically inflicting pain on their children, should be slammed away for several years, and be forced to undergo long periods of anger management and parenting skills. I still think that the law should be changed though, to force unmarried pregnant girls to live at home, instead of being given social housing and benefits, whereupon they can't cope or manage. this is why many of them turn to drink and drugs, and then aren't able to bring their children up properly without getting angry.
Ice, it is so sad that SOME children are having to be exposed to what they are, I regularly see the best dressed babies in the cleanest prams, looking unhappy, being pushed by two young people arguing and sharing a bottle of Lambini whilst walking in the street. There is something missing in the care, the emotional bit, and I'm not sure the parents know how to do this as they are a generation that may have missed out on this themselves.
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