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Again we have Labour attempting to impose more laws on us instead of using the ones we have. The proposal is to tighten drug driving, maybe lower dring driving amount and huge fines and endorsements for 20mph over the spped limit.
OK, we need to reduce road death. But will this help? What is the point of lowering the amount you drink when idiots break the higher amount. Do Noo labour really think they will say " Oh no newer limits I must not drink". On the speed 20mph in a 30 is very wrong but 90 on a motorway not the same.
If they were making it 20 mph about town and 80-90 on amotorway with stiffer penalties perhaps more would buy in?
As dor drink driove, use what you have - just make the judges pass more appropiate sentences. Oh you cant can you cos Noo labour havn't built the jails
OK, we need to reduce road death. But will this help? What is the point of lowering the amount you drink when idiots break the higher amount. Do Noo labour really think they will say " Oh no newer limits I must not drink". On the speed 20mph in a 30 is very wrong but 90 on a motorway not the same.
If they were making it 20 mph about town and 80-90 on amotorway with stiffer penalties perhaps more would buy in?
As dor drink driove, use what you have - just make the judges pass more appropiate sentences. Oh you cant can you cos Noo labour havn't built the jails
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Noo Labour haven't built the jails? You obviously do not know the facts...
Since Labour came to power, prisons have 25% places
* Incarceration rate is 141 per 100,000, compared with 93 in France
* A first-time domestic burglar is twice as likely to go to jail as ten years ago
* The female prison population has risen 146% in 10 years to 4,463 today
* The number of adults serving sentences under 12 months is up 160% since 1999
Since Labour came to power, prisons have 25% places
* Incarceration rate is 141 per 100,000, compared with 93 in France
* A first-time domestic burglar is twice as likely to go to jail as ten years ago
* The female prison population has risen 146% in 10 years to 4,463 today
* The number of adults serving sentences under 12 months is up 160% since 1999
On the speed 20mph in a 30 is very wrong but 90 on a motorway not the same.
Well, one is a very cautious 10 mph below the limit while the other is a Clarkson-ish 20 mph above the limit ;o).
Why is it that any proposed tightening up of motoring law brings cries of "more tax on motorists"? No, it's not a tax on law-abiding motorists - but it is a tax on motoring criminals.
Well, one is a very cautious 10 mph below the limit while the other is a Clarkson-ish 20 mph above the limit ;o).
Why is it that any proposed tightening up of motoring law brings cries of "more tax on motorists"? No, it's not a tax on law-abiding motorists - but it is a tax on motoring criminals.
It's an improvement on the current system which treats those doing 50 in a 30 zone the same as those doing 32.
The more obviously reckless will now get 6 points whereas those who slipped over the limit because they had to take their eyes of the speedometer for a few seconds to check the road will now get 2 points. That's got to be better.
The more obviously reckless will now get 6 points whereas those who slipped over the limit because they had to take their eyes of the speedometer for a few seconds to check the road will now get 2 points. That's got to be better.
Apologies, I meant 20mph above 30 mph is not the same as 20mph above 70 mph.
And who has mentioned tax? I aksed if it was laws being bought in when we already have them.
Gromit, are you saying we have enough jails then? Lets not forget all the Eastern European ciminals new labour imported which mean we need more than other countries.
And who has mentioned tax? I aksed if it was laws being bought in when we already have them.
Gromit, are you saying we have enough jails then? Lets not forget all the Eastern European ciminals new labour imported which mean we need more than other countries.
> Lets not forget all the Eastern European ciminals
> new labour imported which mean we need more
> than other countries.
Actually the foreign prison population (2007) by country is (highest first):
Jamaica, Nigeria, Irish Republic, Vietnam, Pakistan, China, Somalia, Poland, India and Iraq
Of course the number of Eastern Europeans in prison may have gone up in the last year or so.
More here
http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/subsection .asp?id=267
> new labour imported which mean we need more
> than other countries.
Actually the foreign prison population (2007) by country is (highest first):
Jamaica, Nigeria, Irish Republic, Vietnam, Pakistan, China, Somalia, Poland, India and Iraq
Of course the number of Eastern Europeans in prison may have gone up in the last year or so.
More here
http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/subsection .asp?id=267
I'm confused
I thought you right wing types were always after stiffer penalties
You're all always yelling for the death penalty or for life to mean life or whatever.
Yet here we have you arguing a typically left-wing line that stiffer penalties don't deter crimes.
Or is it that you don't want stiffer penalties for things you think you might personally commit?
Surely not!
I thought you right wing types were always after stiffer penalties
You're all always yelling for the death penalty or for life to mean life or whatever.
Yet here we have you arguing a typically left-wing line that stiffer penalties don't deter crimes.
Or is it that you don't want stiffer penalties for things you think you might personally commit?
Surely not!
The argument is more along the lines of : We are not using the laws we have so what is the point of more? Most Drink drivers are well over the limit, would a lower limti deter them ? Unlikely. Likewise what us right wingers advocate is time to fit the crime, so 20 mph over 30 mph should not be penalised the same as 20mph over 70 mph.
Speed in iteself is not a killer. Inappropiate sped is.
Speed in iteself is not a killer. Inappropiate sped is.
Well surely that's one of the arguments behind this.
To penalise slight speeding infractions differently from more serious ones.
If someone is 20mph over the limit it's deliberate
If you can't tell you're 20mph over you don't have the skills to be driving.
However if this does come about - my hobby horse of "same day offenses" becomes important - you could get flashed twice on the same journey and get disqualified without getting a warning first for what is in effect the same offense
That will need sorting if this comes about
To penalise slight speeding infractions differently from more serious ones.
If someone is 20mph over the limit it's deliberate
If you can't tell you're 20mph over you don't have the skills to be driving.
However if this does come about - my hobby horse of "same day offenses" becomes important - you could get flashed twice on the same journey and get disqualified without getting a warning first for what is in effect the same offense
That will need sorting if this comes about
For speeding this announcement is not a change to the law, but only to the way it is enforced.
The Association of Chief Police Officers guidelines set recommended speed levels above which a fixed penalty (3 points plus �60 fine) is not offered. These are 49mph (in a 30 mph zone) and 95mph (70).
Above this level drivers are summonsed to court. Magistrates� guidelines for 50 (30) and 96 (70) are 4 or 5 points or a ban of up to 42 days. Higher penalties (up to six points and a ban of up to 56 days) are available for higher speeds, although for even higher speeds a longer ban (though no more than 6 points) can be imposed.
As I understand it, the measures announced today will simply bring these penalties within the fixed penalty scheme.
The Association of Chief Police Officers guidelines set recommended speed levels above which a fixed penalty (3 points plus �60 fine) is not offered. These are 49mph (in a 30 mph zone) and 95mph (70).
Above this level drivers are summonsed to court. Magistrates� guidelines for 50 (30) and 96 (70) are 4 or 5 points or a ban of up to 42 days. Higher penalties (up to six points and a ban of up to 56 days) are available for higher speeds, although for even higher speeds a longer ban (though no more than 6 points) can be imposed.
As I understand it, the measures announced today will simply bring these penalties within the fixed penalty scheme.
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