John Carlin

[scoobydoo2]

Am trying to find the marriage details of John Carlin born 1907 in Shirland. I know he was a policeman and married Nellie but can find no details of her maiden name or the marriage. Have been right through the marriages on ancestry but to no avail.
Any help appreciated.

[BradleyGas]

I've had a look on FreeBMD and have found a John Carlin marrying an Elizabeth Miles in West Derby in the June quarter of 1926. A bit young perhaps, but not a bad fit and possibly worth looking into. If you want to take a chance, you can order the certificate - �8.50. Refs - West Derby, Vol 8b Page 611.

If you've a subscription to Ancestry, your best bet would be to look at the GRO marriage indexes. Its a bit painstaking, but you may find others. Unfortunately, FreeBMD's coverage only goes up to 1934 and isn't complete anyway.

[scoobydoo2]

Have looked through the marriages year by year but again can't find anything significant. Will have a look at the West Derby one and see if anything clicks.
Thanks BradleyGas

[dot.hawkes]

police officers records are quite interesting and give alot of personal information including a detailed physical descroption, If he was a policeman in the same county as his place of birth you could write to the Derbyshire Constabulary archives:
Ripley
DE5
0845 123 3333
I have my great great grandfather's police record from Lincolshire Constabulary and it is really interesting.
Even if he was only in that Constabulary for a short time, the record will say where he transferred to.
I also agree that Nellie would have been under another Christian name in the marriage index.
You are probably better looking for the birth registration of their children to find her maiden name.
Do you have any idea of their place of burial? That may well give you a lead to her date and place of death, the ceretificate should give her maiden name.

[spudqueen]

dot - isn't West Derby in Liverpool?

[dot.hawkes]

The West Derby hundred was originally west lancashire but as a registration district it was adjacent to Liverpool, Shirland is in Derbyshire, I would imagine he moved around as a police officer during his career, as a police constable i would think it would be from his home county he was recruited and that could have been Derbyshire and if he was already in the force it would be a reason for his transfer to West Derby, but it is also possible the west derby marriage is not him, nellie may not have been Elizabeth, her name may have been something else. helen or ellen or Nora or even nell or nellie. 1926 is also too young for him to marry as a police constable as he would doubt he would have the means of support a wife, ii would think his marriage would be a while later, maybe 1930ish but that's just based on guesswork

[echokilo]

From experience in my tree, where there are several Nellies, is that they have all been Helen in actual fact ... sometimes spelt Hellen. Also have you tried searching with wildcards ... as in John Car* .... you may find the L in his surname was perhaps recorded as a T or something similar .... either this or an error in the transcribing which is also common

[scoobydoo2]

Thanks to you all. I have written to Derbyshire Constabulary so here's hoping some of the questions will be answered.

[dot.hawkes]

scoobydoo2 would you let us know how you get on with this as it isn't often we hear back how this sort of enquiry went and it would help others if you did manage to find anything.

[scoobydoo2]

No problem dot.hawkes - may be a while for them to get back to me and am away soon but I will let you know at some point.

[chestnut]

have found John Carlin marriage he married someone with the surname of Fox .It was registered at chesterfield ,the same place where his birth was reg. I found it on the web at findmypast details you will need to obtain a certificate from record office at Southport Lanc's
will be as follows :- John Carlin April - June 1933 Chesterfield, 7b 1891
Hope this will be of some help to you

[dot.hawkes]

that certainly sounds a better bet chestnut, the right county / RD and about the right year too, he could order it direct from the Chesterfield register office for �7 plus an sae which is cheaper and they will be quicker usually too.
New Beetwell Street
Chesterfield
S40 1QJ
Tel: [phone]

it used to be that local offices were unable to provide marriage certificates as they had a copy register for every church performing ceremonies and they needed to know the church or it was a long search, even with the quarter and year from the gro index, these days they have computerised indexes and find it in second with the names year and quarter from the gro, so it does save money.

[scoobydoo2]

Many thanks to all of you. I have today received information from Derbyshire Constabulary confirming that Ellen Fox married John Carlin on 17 April 1933 including a lot of other information. You were right dot.hawkes there is some very interesting facts from police records - it has been extremely helpful. Thanks so much for suggesting it. I hope others will also get the information they need.

[dot.hawkes]

oh brilliant scoobydoo, it should tell you his hair and eye colouring, his height and complexion, who recomended him to the force (often a relative) and also where he was stationed, and citations or demotions or disciplinary action etc. well worth getting a copy of.

[kentishbear]

Its great you found out what you were looking for today,

i was just going to add, that both my Grandmothers were known as Nellie, and that their actual birth names were Ellen .. as you found out today

all the best