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Thanks for spilling the beans folks! just thought about your answers, I may be wrong but it looks as though the girls are more forthcoming than the boys, and poss more honest about it. it seems as though it is a different process for most with the same ending, not all that we learn along the way is positive, some things are there to turn you away. Travelling around the globe i have met women of different cultures, some were "good girls" some were most definitely not! it is probably due to peer pressure as much as anything else. Was anyone who answered pushed into commiting themselves to a situation because of their friends, that seems to be the case with my sons?