Quite right, naomi, but Theland does not deal in logic, as we know.
He should surely answer his own question. He believes that the universe had a creator so, by his own rules (as I have pointed out a tedious number of times), his creator must have had a creator. And that creator must have had a creator...
So answer your question, Theland. How far back in that succession of creators do you go? Where do you stop -- and why?