Who was his Mummy?

[wildwood]

So from what I can remember at school, Jesus was implanted into the virgin Mary by God, to be born in a stable. I take this to mean that Mary was a surrogate mother and I would like to know who donated the egg that god fertilised.

Why couldn't he just have a baby with Mrs.God like everyone else?

[Ankou]

depends whether you reckon it was traditional surrogacy, or gestational surrogacy.

Me, I reckon it was magic, and Paul Daniels always looks guilty to me.

[brionon]

Yeah-that Daniels bloke !! Now you mention it.

[chakka35]

And there never was a stable.

[Ankou]

no, but there was definitely an ass.

[Whickerman]

I've never had a baby with Mrs God. Am I missing out?

[Lonnie]

If your RI classes were comprehensive, you'll also remember that Jesus was of the line of David, so it couldn't have been an immaculate conception,

[wildwood]

Thanks for that.

No, but really...... why is there no mention of Mrs God in the bible? Seeing family life is so significant in modern christian doctrine, surely someone must have asked who scrubbed the old man's back in the heavenly Bath.
Ecclesiastical 'experts' have all sorts of explanations for refutations of biblical events. As we are all supposed to be created in his image there must a template for the fairer sex.
Even Father Christmas now has a missus.

[naomi24]

God (aka Yahweh) did have a wife. Her name was Asherah. (Possibly also known elsewhere as Astarte/Aphrodite). Jeremiah calls her the Queen of Heaven, and he wasn't at all happy that the people worshipped her as well as Yahweh. She wasn't Jesus' mum though. She was off-loaded long before Jesus' time.

http://www.classicalhebrewblog.com/2008/05/25/ married-deities-asherah-and-yahweh-in-early-is raelite-religion/

Mary wasn't a surrogate mother. A surrogate mother is just a vehicle and hands the child to someone else to rear once its born. Mary was the 'natural' mother of Jesus, and reared him, but it's the father's identity that's highly questionable. As Lonnie says, if Jesus was indeed of the line of David, then Joseph had to be the culprit which means that Jesus was simply an ordinary man, and never was divine.

Incidentally, the bible, very early on, mentions the sons of God who mated with the daughters of man, so perhaps Yahweh did have children with Asherah - but that, again, was long before Jesus' time.

[quizbag]

If you are not a Christian you will always have difficulty accepting the details of the birth of Jesus because it comes down to a matter of faith and belief.

[naomi24]

^^ That's true. Why let the facts get in the way?

[wildwood]

Naomi, some of this is news to me. I need to get out more.

Quizbag. You are quite right. I shall always have difficulty accepting the details of the birth of Jesus. I had a catholic upbringing in the 60s and in fact did my 1sr holy communion because I had to. But I've never actually believed that there was a God as such and thought that everyone else in school was crazy, praying to some obscure spirit.

We have friends that are devout Anglican and I envy them how they can find solice in their religion when their 2 months old grandson dies from an unexplained cotdeath.
I have tried other christian beliefs when younger and find I just can not accept the 'don't take the bible too literally' explanations.

[chakka35]

Yes, Mrs god was abandoned when the Jews promoted the minor god of southern Israel, Jaweh, to be their sole 'God'.

Before you even begin to take either nativity story seriously, you have to decide which one to believe, because "Matthew" contradicts "Luke".

Then you have to ask how these two unknown writers could possibly have known anything about it considering that they were writing near the end of the 1st Century and neither of the only two previous writers about Jesus (Paul and "Mark") say anything about Jesus' birth.

How, for example, could they possibly have known anything about the state of Mary's hymen. Only Mary herself would have that knowledge. In whom did she confide and how was it then passed on in secret to "Luke" and "Matthew" nearly a century later? And why would anyone believe her?

It's all a pretty fantasy and nothing more.

[naomi24]

Maybe you just need to stick around R&S, Wildwood. :o)