where are all the islamophiles?

[R1Geezer]

At least Vic's had ago at the Muslim question below, a bit quiet perhaps, but where are te rest of the "Islam is good" brigade, you know the ones who are quite happy with the religion of peace, the silence is deafening!

[Oneeyedvic]

If you want to control a section of society, first frighten them and second, demoralise them.

Very true. A bit like saying that Islam is the biggest threat inithe world. I would call that frightening people. Then you could introduce laws - lets call them anti terror laws that enabled the police to have unrestricted power. Hang on a second, this sounds familiar......



I am not particularly knowledgeable about the Koran - but to say that you will quote sources and the put a link to a site that is entitled 'prophetofdoom' would hardly be an impartial link.

It's a bit like me saying that all white Christians are evil and then putting a link to the Ku Klux Klan website.

[keyplus90]

Your reference is as reputable as you are yourself. First of all let me tell you that all the Muslims believe without any doubt that although hadiths are sayings of prophet (pbuh) but after all he was a human and these words got to others through other people and therefore none of the Hadiths are 100% without a doubt. Quran is 100% without doubt whereas Quran's interpretation and translation again is not 100% without a doubt. So in simple words (before you get confused as I know you are a nursery student) Islam should be looked at with the help of these two sources together and if you know Arabic then that helps. Although even written records (Quran and Hadith) are still more reputable than any other religious scripture but still Islam�s beauty is not confined to just books, but in day to day practicality as it is not just a religion but way of life. You name any problem in day to day life, social, economical, physical and so on and Islam would have already given guidelines about that.
Now towards your hadith but with some back ground story,
Just like few people today say that American nukes saved millions (I don't agree with that but) same way at that time killing one man by the name of Kaab saved lots of others. The reason he was killed for was treason and almost in most of the countries even now the penalty for that is same.

Finally not for you birdie as I know where your reputable knowledge comes from, but for others here, this is the full story on another chat line someone posted for someone like you.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20 090421034515AAmAa3k

Now next time give me the answer to my question asked earlier or I do not have any more time to waste on you.

[keyplus90]

Answer to the questions please.

[Oneeyedvic]

HI Birdie,

The quotes are.

They exist and are genuine quotes from genuine Islamic sources.

Interpret them as you will.

And that is a very good point. The quotes exist in Arabic and translations can be made in a number of different ways depending on what outcome you want.

Here are some examples from the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/


Do you know that in Spain it is legal for a 13 year old to have sex? That is their age of consent.

According to your logic, are all Spanish people rapists?

[keyplus90]

Birdie had never done, and will never do. Any one knows what am I talking about. simple and straight answer.

Simplest of the answers could have been not going through the history but looking at present. By nature (whatever the reason) Muslims have bigger families and more children. All you had to do that add total population of, lets say Pakistan, India and Bangladesh and perhaps other few small areas around. and see what the ratio is. Trust me just over my head, None Muslims are still almost 60% if not more.

Finally prepare to go back my little birdie as your holidays are over and nursery is opening from next monday.

[keyplus90]

Hang on just right at the end I realised that this website (faith Freedom) is run by someone called Ali Sina. He is apparently an Ex Muslim from Iran. And one thing he is very well known for is that he twists wordings of Hadiths and translation of Quran but above all he avoids face to face debate.

For a minute I thought it might be my little birdie in disguise as you have all these qualities. But then he (Ali Sina) does seem to have a little bit of sense.