Have we now seen an end once and for all to the 'Nasty Left'?

[anotheoldgit]

Just some of the Headlines.

'Labour comes 6th in Cornwall'

'Worse Labour result in Wales since WW1'

'BNP get 86,000 votes in London'

'BNP win 2 seats in Europe'

When I say nasty left, you have only to read some of the posts for the question 'BNP win 2 Euro seats: justifiable' to gather what I mean.

Their usual extreme vitreous venom has been spewed forth thus:

Ignorant, hateful, sad losers, bullies, offspring's of dominant parents, idiots, balding cowardly freaks at underground fight clubs, these are just a few posted by pfabc123.

Work-shy greedy indigenous population who think that the world owes them a living.by Zacmaster.

Take the words 'hateful' & 'sad losers', It was stated on the Radio just before the announcement of the winner in one of the 2 seats won by the BNP, 'that if the BNP won the other parties candidates would walk off the platform'.

The BNP leader was pelted by eggs and prevented from getting in to get the voting results.

Would the BNP have done either of these.

The Left are also always trying to get the democratically elected BNP banned, yet vigorously support Hamas.

[another-view]

Last night's results were a step in the right direction and if people want to belittle and insult those who voted for them, then please feel free. It is no skin off my back and I am proud that I stood up and voted for my beliefs.

[Gromit]

I am more worried about those extreme lefty Greens who trounced the BNP in the European Elections.

The Green Party got 360147 more votes than the BNP.

The Greens got 8.6% of the vote compared to the BNPs 6.2%.

The Greens % vote was up 2.4% compared to the BNPs 1.3%

The Greens got 270,652 more votes than last time compared to the BNP 135,398.

There is obviously a huge swing to the Greens and people will think that these extreme Lefties' views represent the country's lurch leftwards.

We should remember that this was a very low turnout and many people will have voted for these extreme parties as a protest against fraudulent MPs.

[Ankou]

"bnp get 86,000 votes in london".

well considering there are about 5.5million electorate in London thats around 1.5% of all the electorate, only marginally better than the independant candidate Janani Jananayagam who got 50,000 votes and only half as much as your "tree hugging lefty wefty do gooders" of the green party.

[sp1814]

AOG

You're fooling yourself if you think it's 'the left' who hate the BNP.

It's normal, average people who despise the BNP. I bet if you walked around your average school and asked kids, "What do you think of the BNP?" the word 'scum', 'vile' and 'racist' would leap to their lips.

Britons have a long history of denouncing and exposing the vicious thugs of the right...and true Britons will never cower before facsism.

The Brits defeated the Nazis, Brownshirts and NF.

The BNP will go the same way because there are more 'lefties' and moderates than there are bigots in the UK.

It will always be that way.

[anotheoldgit]

Any chance you could post a brief translation?

I actually think he's on your side a-v. But it aint too clear is it.

What part or parts do you choose not understand Zac, perhaps you should get your 'master' to explain it to you?

[jake-the-peg]

Now it seems to me that either AOG thinks that it's OK to be a racist or that the BNP are not racist.

I wonder which it is.

[youngmafbog]

SP, I think you may well be looking at life outside you r coffe shop in Islington.

Rather unfortunately there is an awful lost of racism in the population. Noo labour sought to outlaw it but failed to realize (as with many of their laws) that just outlawing something does not chaneg peoplse view overnight.

Racism is very much alive in all classes (barring the chattering ones) it si just that the law has banned them from speaking out openly. However in a secret ballot things are differnt.

As I have said before noon Labour are the culrits in the BNP gaining power, failing to regogize how the rank and file think.

Thsi is not my surmizing, it is my expereince in working amongst the hard working 'working class' masses.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

I bet if you walked around your average school and asked kids, "What do you think of the BNP?" the word 'scum', 'vile' and 'racist' would leap to their lips.

I am in no way defending or supporting the BNP when I say, how do you know that the average school kid would describe the BNP as 'scum, 'vile' or 'racist'?

There are so many factors to take into consideration such as:

How old are these kids?

Would they know what is meant by the letters BNP?

What is the proportion of ethnic kids in these schools?

Where have they gained their knowledge of the BNP from?

What contact have they ever had with the BNP?

What is the politics of their mentors?

Anyone can poison a child's mind with propaganda not just a child even, many a more advanced mind has been corrupted so.

It's called 'Brain Washing'

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

Now it seems to me that either AOG thinks that it's OK to be a racist or that the BNP are not racist.

I wonder which it is.

It is all dependant on what someone classes the word 'racist' to mean.

This word has been banded about and used excessively by various people, each trying to use it as some kind of insult to try and curtail free speech or for other devious intentions in which to advance their own individual agenda.

Oxford Dictionary:

Racism : A belief in the superiority of a particular race, hostility or discrimination against members of a different race.

A belief in the superiority of a particular race

Just show me anyone who does not think their own particular race isn't superior to another? Aren't we constantly told 'Black is Best'? Who doesn't think their particular village, town, city, football team etc. etc is superior than any other? It is human nature.

Hostility against members of a different race

Who would turn the other cheek if someone of a different race was to use aggression against them, in case they were classed racist?

Discrimination against members of a different race.

This is about the only description that fits the term, racism, but wait a minute don't the various authorities constantly fall foul on this, but then they call it 'Positive Discrimination' so that's alright then?

[Gromit]

Just show me anyone who does not think their own particular race isn't superior to another?

Good use of the double negative in that sentence.

There is a difference between being hostile to someone for no reason (which is the definition) and is racist and reacting against unprovoked hostility to yourself, which is not racist.

[anotheoldgit]

There is a difference between being hostile to someone for no reason (which is the definition) and is racist and reacting against unprovoked hostility to yourself, which is not racist.

Nowhere in the definition can I find the words 'for no reason'.

Why don't you address what is posted, not just the obvious, to somehow make you look superior?

Now have a constructive go at the other two.

A belief in the superiority of a particular race.

Discrimination against members of a different race.

[rov1200]

When Muslims discrimate against the Christian religion is that OK?
When employers insists on employees from non British workers is that OK?
When Councils give preferences for housing to non-EUs is that OK?

Can you blame these discriminated people for fighting back at the lefties who encouraged it?

[jno]

"would the BNP have done this?"

Here is a little biography of the new MEP, Andrew Brons, who started out in the British Natiional Socialist Party, founded in honour of Hitler, on Hitler's birthday. (Apparently he doesn't mention this on the BNP website!) He reckoned that bombing synagogues was 'well-intentioned'. Then he moved on to the National Front. 'If they're black, send them back,' he chanted at one meeting. He told a policeman, or Malaysian origin: 'Inferior beings like yourself probably do not appreciate the principle of free speech.'

Read for yourself and decide, and say out loud: do you approve of this man representing Britain or not?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/08 /european-elections-bnp

[rov1200]

If Labour can re-invent itself by calling it New Labour why should the BNP not call itself 'New BNP'. Its policies have changed since the Oswald Mosley era.

[dinsdale]

On winning the election in 1997 Tony Blair (whom i don't personally like) stated "The Tory's arn't dead, They are sleeping"

My personal politcal view is to the right of centre, and I usually vote conservative though i do think this quote is still relevent, if adjusted to:

"The Left and Labour arn't dead, They are sleeping"

[dinsdale]

One thing I will say about the far right is this though, especially so close to the D-Day anniversary.

Hitler and his Nazi party came to power in a democratic election.

protest against the main parties all you like guys, but be careful where you are putting that X