Despair

[Lindylou]

After recent occurrences - Lockerbie killer set free, convicted paedophile prescribed Viagra, etc. etc. What's going on? Are ordinary, civilised British persons, in the eyes of the rest of the civilised world, being turned into a laughing stock?

[1ARMEDBANDIT]

I wonder if we would be in this mess if Maggie Thatcher was still prime minister, I honestly don`t believe she would have tolerated all this nonsense.

[VHG]

Well Gordon Brown has been trying to drag this country down to third world levels since he came into power.

He has made this country a laughing stock, and managed to bankrupt us at the same time.

(Not that he had much to do about the plane bomber. That was a stupid Scottish decision which is indefensible)

Vote Labour - Bankrupt the Country.

[rov1200]

Sounds like a failed nation trying to get some notoriety

[weeal]

It never ceases to amaze me, Ive stopped buying papers its all just cr@p

[Lonnie]

Its no just recent things, since 1997, you have to take everything this Labour goverment has done, and weep.

Not counting their fiscal policies, and in no particular order, (1) did away with border controls, (2) brought in political correctness, (3) brought in the Human Rights bill, (4) under this goverment, criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens, (5) virtually done away with beat Bobbies, and brought in these next to useless PCSOs. (6) Co-started an illegal war. and lots more, all to the detriment of this country.

And its no good anyone quoting what previous goverments have or haven't done, all that was done by this goverment.

[Julnar]

I don't believe Britain is the laughing stock of the world. I think we remain a much admired, though flawed nation. We are still relatively rich in comparison with the rest of the world; we retain liberties many nations can only dream of and we have a relatively harmonious society that feels able to argue points of political principle without descending into chaos and widespread violence. I love being British.

[kinell]

lonnie,

must disagree re your list of examples of labour letting britain down....

here are examples of positive things brought about by the jock mafia within westminster (i thought they had their own parliament?.............dont let us keep you...)

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any more anybody?

[weeal]

Jock Mafia? theyve not always been scottish and theres none been great have they? when you slag off maggie you dont say shes 'English', leave us Scots out of it eh

[anotheoldgit]

(Not that he had much to do about the plane bomber. That was a stupid Scottish decision which is indefensible)

Well that is just the Scots being true to form, they make everything free.

[weeal]

get real and check the facts

[Lonnie]

anotheoldgit, in actual fact, that wasn't just a Scottish descision, theirs may have been the final word, thats all, that descision to free him, goes all the way back to Westminster, Milliband,and even to Tony Blair.

[sp1814]

Achievements (part 1):

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
2. Low mortgage rates
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to �5.35
4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
9. Employment is at its highest level ever
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
11. 85,000 more nurses
12. 32,000 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
18. Gift aid was worth �625 million to charities last year
19. Restored city-wide government to London
20. Record number of students in higher education
21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
24. �200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra �100 for over-80s
25. On course to exceed Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010

[sp1814]

Achievements (part 2)

26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks� paid holiday
29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
35. Banned fox hunting
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
37. Free TV licences for over-75s
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
39. Waiting times for operations halved
40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
43. Free eye test for over 60s
44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school

[sp1814]

Those facts were taken from the Labour party website, so you have to take them with a pinch of salt.

Just posted here for a little balance to the debate.

[Lonnie]

Is there anyone who actually believes all that?.

[weeal]

well some of it must be true I suppose

[BertiWooster]

Well that list of achievements, posted by sp1814, must be quite easy to confirm or disprove .
Afterall , we are not talking about subjective matters there - are we .

I'm sure one of you anoraks out there can go and check , and report back .

We await your / whoever's , advices

[kinell]

sp,

on the basis of your one-sided lists and in view of labours stance regarding not allowing free votes among the electorate in the form of referenda..... unless we guarantee to vote acording to their views..

then i should think the other parties will not bother to stand when an election is called on the basis that no party other than labour could possibly be elected so loved and revered are they

lmao

the ideal democracy..according to labour

[Sqad]

sp.

NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice

NHS Direct cost �139,000 to set up, to take the pressure off GP surgeries and A and E depts..
Every call costs �25.
60% of calls referred to GP&A&E.
Service spent �225,000 translating materials into Loatian and Cherokee, which are hardly spoken.

47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives

We couldn't have got worse, as that 12% has shot the UK up the league table in Europe to bottom bar two.

Can't be bothered to go further.