Abducted from his own home by racists?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/03/muslim-leader-arrested-abduction

Why perverting the course of justice, why not also wasting police time along with the more serious crime of Incitement to racial hatred, or is the latter crime only reserved for whites?

Although I am no supporter of the BNP, is it any wonder that they are hated so much, when total lies (if they are found to be) are banded about by their opponents?

[chas2008]

i thought muslims adhered to a strict religious code, there must be a mention of cheating and lying in it somewhere...and hes a leader !!

[rov1200]

They are treated like this and yet thousands of illegal immigrants flood over our borders. Doesn't the message get sent back. We know there are 150+ million citizens in Pakistan but someone should tell them we are full up.

It would help if the government cariatured these offences and played them back in these countries to show its not all bread and honey at the end of the rainbow.

[jake-the-peg]

Because he has not committed incitement to racial hatred from what I can see here.

Not unless the BNP who he blamed have suddenly become a race in their own right.

Perverting the Course of justice is a very serious offence.

The Maximum penalty for incitement to racial hatred was recently raised to 7 years from 2

Perverting the course of Justice has a theoretical maximum of life imprisonment although no sentence of more than 10 years has peen passed in modern times.

You'll remember that Aitkin and Archer both got prison sentences for it.

[R1Geezer]

Chas:"i thought muslims adhered to a strict religious code, there must be a mention of cheating and lying in it somewhere...and hes a leader !!"

Yes there is a mention, cheating and lying are allowed when convenient it says so in the koran.

[jake-the-peg]

So Geezer your point is what?

That misbehaving Muslims have an excuse whereas Churches paying out compensation because their priests abused choirboys do not?

[chas2008]

R1geezer, im not suprised, it would explain so much...

[R1Geezer]

Just answering Chas, Jake, with the facts.

[anotheoldgit]

Jake-the-peg

Because he has not committed incitement to racial hatred from what I can see here.

Noor Ramjanally had told the Guardian that he was taken from his flat in Loughton, Essex by two white men at knife-point.

Isn't this inciting racial hatred against Whites then?

[jno]

oldgit, no, that's not incitement at all, unless you think he was trying to incite the police to hate whites. I wouldn't want to be the prosecutor trying to prove that one.

As jake says, perverting the course of justice is a very serious charge indeed, more so I think than incitement; however I do not know the relative penalties available.

[sp1814]

What a monumental idiot!!!

If the case against him is proven, he should be jailed, because by lying he has made the BNP filth look like victims.

Really annoyed at his (alleged) actions.

Idiot..

[anotheoldgit]

Try and get on board over this jno.

Why do you mention the Police

oldgit, no, that's not incitement at all, unless you think he was trying to incite the police to hate whites.

He accused two white men of taking him from his flat in at knifepoint, therefore he was inciting his community not the police to hate whites.

Last week he stated that they said, 'We don't want your Islamic group in Loughton.' (this is now under investigation to discover if he was making the whole matter up)

At that stage the Police said 'they are treating the incidents as 'hate crime'

Therefore if it was classed as a hate crime last week, when he reported it, why not now?

[ELVIS68]

They should take him back to Epping Forest and hang him, the dirty lying troublemaking bastad

[fredpuli47]

AOG Jake is correct on the law. And if you're wondering about 'wasting police time' the maximum penalty was only 6 months but was raised to 51 weeks by the Criminal Justice Act 1982, not like the years possible for 'an act tending to pervert the course of public justice', and a prosecution for the offence of 'wasteful employment of the police', as it's properly termed, requires the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions. There's no evidence to support a charge of incitement to racial hatred because what this man is said to have done, as reported in the link, doesn't fall within the offence.

Why would you want this man prosecuted for an offence that only gets him less than a year maximum , anyway? He can get far more for what he's been arrested for, and more than for the impossible racial hatred offence.

[trt]

We should just deport him and save the cost of the proceedings.

[jake-the-peg]

Deporting people who break the law in a serious manner merely ensures they do not go to prison for their offences.

Foreign citizens who commit imprisonable offences can be deported *after* serving their sentence

This applied to 4,200 in 2007

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm080222/text/80222w0015.htm