Disturbed by Islamic debate

[Seadragon]

After reading Wizard's thread and the link provided by Keyplus, having come across this part of AB over the weekend, and after much thought - I must state my opinion, that I am appalled by KP's encouragement of Paedophilia (I quote his answer below). Furthermore I am disturbed by the Islamic doctrinisation clearly evident thru KP's posts.

I have long realised that any non-muslim cannot engage in a logical debate, regarding Islam, with a Muslim who adamantly argues and defends beliefs that are as other AB's said 'indefensible' and totally inexcusable. I suggest this is the reason why for centuries western thought and Islamic doctrinisation are incompatible and why, apart from this post, I don't engage in religious talk with muslims I work with, as I know how passionately and illogically they maintain their Islamic beliefs.

This doctrinisation is evident in KP's reply to Wizard's question - 'Would you object in todays world to someone having sex with a 9 year old?' - 27 Aug 09 at 22:34
KP - 'If that 9 year old has reached her puberty and mentally normal then I will have no objection if her parents marry her to anyone of their choice and with the consent of the girl'.

To analyse: 'reached her puberty' -- means her periods have started - variable in girls.
'mentally normal' - a large proportion of the population are born mentally normal unless
diagnosed otherwise, therefore this implies - FROM BIRTH.
'no objection if her parents marry her' - 2 implications present - Firstly, control that parents
have over children thru Islamic doctrinisation beginning at early age (Also evident thru
many of KP's posts about parents 'being involved' and they 'make these decisions.'
Secondly - encouragment of Paedophilia as 'no objection' to act.
'with consent of girl' - The word 'consent' to consensual sexual relations recognised in
the UK is 16 years old. Islamic doctrin

[tamborine]

Skynews now: 12y old girl dies giving birth in the Yemen!

[naomi24]

Oh dear, Keyplus, you do try, but you aren't going to wriggle out of this one by claiming this relates to the very rare 18 year old who hasn't reached puberty. Funny thing is, the last time we discussed this, you came up with a totally different excuse, but this time that particular post just happened to suit your agenda. This verse means what it says, and you know it. Must try harder, Keyplus.

[naomi24]

Incidentally Keyplus, on your trek around other threads, you seem to have ignored this from me. How very convenient!

Keyplus knows he's wrong, he couldn't admit it if he wanted to. If he did that, he would have to concede that Mohammed was wrong in marrying a six year old and in consummating that marriage when she was nine, and that would never do. Honesty where Mohammed is concerned is not an option for Keyplus, so he's really between a rock and a hard place - all courtesy of his religion.

[keyplus90]

There is an old saying where I am from. When cat can't catch what she desired then she scratches the wall pretending that this is what she wanted to do. Naomi is doing the same.

[sherminator]

Theres an old saying where i'm from Paedophiles deserved to be burnt alive, I think that applies here aye Keyplus?

[naomi24]

You seem to have a lot of old sayings where you come from Keyplus - and each and every one of them apply to you. You're not offering much of an argument, but then, how could you? With the evidence we have before us, including a verse from the apparently infallible Koran, it's no surprise you are 'scratching' around for answers.

[tamborine]

KP - read this before you marry off your young daughter

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gwLYDc-7SMFhaTPUdx_v2PZjrkGwD9AM0C681

[keyplus90]

Does that mean the woman who is older than 12 can't and do not die giving birth?

[tamborine]

KP...... the Yemen newpaper found it unusual or cruel enough to report the event. While there are young girls falling pregnant its usually by error and not at their fathers instigating early conceptions for them.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, you're missing a fundamental issue here. Girls of 12 aren't mature women - they're children. Their minds and bodies are still developing.

[keyplus90]

You definitely seem to have a bit too painful childhood Naomi. And amazing thing is that neither you are Muslims nor were your parents, I believe. So what could be the reason? Or do you believe what is good for you must be good for everyone and what is bad for you must be bad for all?

[naomi24]

Ha ha ha! Come on Keyplus, you're floundering.

Tell you what, why not try a little experiment? On Saturday afternoon, when the schools are closed, take yourself off to your local shopping centre and observe the girls and women there. You'll have to observe the ones who aren't shrouded in burkas of course, otherwise the experiment won't work. First look at, say, a couple of 20 year olds, and then look at a couple of 12 year olds (or even 9 year olds), and see if you can spot the difference. If you can't, then I would suggest you have a serious problem. I await your findings with interest.