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BNP member teaching ballet
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221112/BNP-ballerina-Simone-Clarke-teaching-children-aged-3.html
Does it make one iota of difference, whether or not this person is a member of the BNP, Labour Party, Conservative Party or even Communist Party, she is teaching ballet, which has nothing to do with her politics?
Regarding her teaching children as young as 3, does it make these children at risk in any way?
At the time anti-fascist demonstrators disrupted a performance of Giselle at the London Coliseum in which Miss Clarke, who was dubbed the 'BNP ballerina', took the starring role.
Those anti-fascist demonstrators again !!!!!! pathetic.
Does it make one iota of difference, whether or not this person is a member of the BNP, Labour Party, Conservative Party or even Communist Party, she is teaching ballet, which has nothing to do with her politics?
Regarding her teaching children as young as 3, does it make these children at risk in any way?
At the time anti-fascist demonstrators disrupted a performance of Giselle at the London Coliseum in which Miss Clarke, who was dubbed the 'BNP ballerina', took the starring role.
Those anti-fascist demonstrators again !!!!!! pathetic.
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Maybe you’re being a little pedantic, sp, about what constitutes a “race”. Your strict interpretation is probably scientifically accurate. However, the Race Relations legislation prohibits discrimination of the grounds of race, colour, nationality, ethnic and national origin. In any case, as birdie says, racist incidents do not need to include members of different races to be classified as such. Indeed, since the publication of the ludicrous MacPherson report into the death of Stephen Lawrence, it has been decreed that a racist incident is classified as such if anybody (whether victim or not, whether involved or not) perceives it to be so. So I think my examples are valid as far as that aspect goes.
Indian and Chinese restaurants are not, in my experience, predominantly family run. The reason no non-Indian or non-Chinese workers are found in them is because, as has been said, the jobs are never openly advertised. Accordingly, no white people are likely to have suffered direct identifiable discrimination individually because none is likely to have applied for a job. However, this, and the other reason cited (that the chefs in them rarely speak English) would cut no ice at an employment tribunal or similar enquiries. If it was noted that the majority of “English” restaurants employed only English staff, an investigation would almost certainly be launched by the CRE to establish why this is. As far as I know, no such enquiry has ever been undertaken to discover why the situation in Indian or Chinese restaurants is as it is.
Maybe you’re being a little pedantic, sp, about what constitutes a “race”. Your strict interpretation is probably scientifically accurate. However, the Race Relations legislation prohibits discrimination of the grounds of race, colour, nationality, ethnic and national origin. In any case, as birdie says, racist incidents do not need to include members of different races to be classified as such. Indeed, since the publication of the ludicrous MacPherson report into the death of Stephen Lawrence, it has been decreed that a racist incident is classified as such if anybody (whether victim or not, whether involved or not) perceives it to be so. So I think my examples are valid as far as that aspect goes.
Indian and Chinese restaurants are not, in my experience, predominantly family run. The reason no non-Indian or non-Chinese workers are found in them is because, as has been said, the jobs are never openly advertised. Accordingly, no white people are likely to have suffered direct identifiable discrimination individually because none is likely to have applied for a job. However, this, and the other reason cited (that the chefs in them rarely speak English) would cut no ice at an employment tribunal or similar enquiries. If it was noted that the majority of “English” restaurants employed only English staff, an investigation would almost certainly be launched by the CRE to establish why this is. As far as I know, no such enquiry has ever been undertaken to discover why the situation in Indian or Chinese restaurants is as it is.
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These establishments employ only those of their own “race” (which, to avoid further confusion, I am using in the context of race relations legislation as explained above) because their recruitment methods exclude anybody not of that race. . Their actions discriminate on racial grounds and they adopt such methods for no other reason than they do not want to employ anybody of a different race because that’s the way they like it. In all honesty, that’s the way I like it too. I don’t expect to be served by a Pole in a Chinese restaurant. But English businesses would not be allowed to have such policies (and would probably go bust if they did, because they would not find sufficient English people to carry out the “menial” tasks that many English people believe are so very far beneath them).
That is why my argument is by no means specious. It is perfectly apposite to confront the contention that only white people can be racist.
These establishments employ only those of their own “race” (which, to avoid further confusion, I am using in the context of race relations legislation as explained above) because their recruitment methods exclude anybody not of that race. . Their actions discriminate on racial grounds and they adopt such methods for no other reason than they do not want to employ anybody of a different race because that’s the way they like it. In all honesty, that’s the way I like it too. I don’t expect to be served by a Pole in a Chinese restaurant. But English businesses would not be allowed to have such policies (and would probably go bust if they did, because they would not find sufficient English people to carry out the “menial” tasks that many English people believe are so very far beneath them).
That is why my argument is by no means specious. It is perfectly apposite to confront the contention that only white people can be racist.
NJ
I disagree on your assertion that Chinese and Indian restaurants deliberately exclude the employment of other races 'because that's the way they like it', but I cannot prove you wrong...I can only go by my own experience, and know of a couple of Indian family-run restaurants where all the staff are previously known to the owners (either family or friends of family).
It would be difficult for a non-Indian/Chinese person to bring a claim of racial discrimination against such an establishment because first of all, they would have to prove they were discriminated against - and if no Indian/Chinese restaurant ever openly advertises for staff in local papers, they cannot ever discriminate!
Same with a farmer in Yorkshire who employs family and friends during busy periods...if they don't advertise and their family happens to be exclusively white, then they're not being racist.
However, if a Chinese restaurant owner advertised for six waiters over Christmas and the only people the restaurant employed were Chinese and there were perfectly able white/black/Muslim candidates, then suspicions could be raised and they could easily be up for prosecution.
I accept in those circumstances, that it would be openly racist.
I disagree on your assertion that Chinese and Indian restaurants deliberately exclude the employment of other races 'because that's the way they like it', but I cannot prove you wrong...I can only go by my own experience, and know of a couple of Indian family-run restaurants where all the staff are previously known to the owners (either family or friends of family).
It would be difficult for a non-Indian/Chinese person to bring a claim of racial discrimination against such an establishment because first of all, they would have to prove they were discriminated against - and if no Indian/Chinese restaurant ever openly advertises for staff in local papers, they cannot ever discriminate!
Same with a farmer in Yorkshire who employs family and friends during busy periods...if they don't advertise and their family happens to be exclusively white, then they're not being racist.
However, if a Chinese restaurant owner advertised for six waiters over Christmas and the only people the restaurant employed were Chinese and there were perfectly able white/black/Muslim candidates, then suspicions could be raised and they could easily be up for prosecution.
I accept in those circumstances, that it would be openly racist.
But we’re not talking about one farm in Yorkshire, or one or two Indian/Chinese restaurants. It’s the entire industry almost without exception. Any other widespread industry or business which operated with an exclusively English staff base would almost certainly be investigated by the CRE.
Indian and Chinese restaurants engage staff mainly by word of mouth, but often from agencies which only employ people of the “right” ethnicity. It would not be tolerated if the exclusivity applied to English or even white people. They would simply be told to change their methods or face prosecution.
Anyway, I think we’ve hijacked AOG’s question, so I’ll say no more!
Indian and Chinese restaurants engage staff mainly by word of mouth, but often from agencies which only employ people of the “right” ethnicity. It would not be tolerated if the exclusivity applied to English or even white people. They would simply be told to change their methods or face prosecution.
Anyway, I think we’ve hijacked AOG’s question, so I’ll say no more!
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