Filling Loop, No Handles!

[Random-Hero]

My boiler has dropped in pressure over the winter months, and now im looking at topping it up in pressure. at the moment its sat at 0.5 bars, and i need it to be around 1.25. The filling loop is attatched but theres no handles on it. Theres 2 handles on both pipes the filling loop connects, the handles are right under the boiler, just reachable, I've turned both on and nothing.... am i missing something? does anyone know about filling loops without handles? The loop connects on two prodruding pieces of pipe, that come out a few inches, and have white rubber caps on the end, but turning these just turns the whole loop including the nut that connects it to the pipe. any suggestions would be useful, thanks in advance.

[WILLWONKER]

Google your boiler make, and you may be able to down load the instruction manual

[Hymie]

Besides the taps, you might have an isolating valve (like this) inline with the filling loop.

http://www.screwfix.c...Valve-15mm-Pack-of-2#

If someone has stuck one of these inline, they will normally be fairly close to the handles/taps.

[Random-Hero]

Ive opened both handles on the pipes the loop connects, and nothing. I cant find a flathead screw on any piece to turn either to attempt to let water through. I will try and upload a picture as soon as my camera is charged so then hopefully someone knows what to do. :)

[Random-Hero]

Pictures of the Valves. Like i said the actual pipes leading into the boiler have the handles to open/close.therefore i know i just have to work out how to get water across the filling loop. any ideas are welcome. ideally the correct ones :P

http://i378.photobuck...omHero89/P1010016.jpg
http://i378.photobuck...omHero89/P1010015.jpg
http://i378.photobuck...omHero89/P1010018.jpg

[suzie1]

are you sure the loop is on the right thing it looks a bit dangerous to me? i do mine but i have two flat screws that i turn half way, they are above my loop, quite above, maybe send some more pics from above the loop there must be some screw to turn

[Random-Hero]

the pipes the loop connects just go up into the boiler, and have 90 degree taps on them to open and close, thats it, no other valves or anything.

[Random-Hero]

http://i378.photobuck...omHero89/P1010019.jpg
http://i378.photobuck...omHero89/P1010020.jpg

See, valves at top.

[redstaff]

i am no expert but the two black valves on the flow and return need to be in line with the pipes shown in your pics

[Random-Hero]

yea i forgot to add ive turned them to close while fiddling with the fill loop, cos i didnt wanna overpressure by accident. theyre usually in line dont worry :)

[suzie1]

it looks to me the first and the third tap from the left are the ones you turn have you tried them, turn them half way upwards together and it should start rising up if it doesnt dont worry just turn them back again, it wont harm the boiler so have them positioned like the yello one for a few seconds and see if it raises up....keep me informed have you just had this boiler put in, have you ever done this before, we think boilers are complicated things by lookin at the wireing etc, but they are not that complicated, i played about with mine to find how to do it...obviously i only touched valves and taps i thought safe

[redstaff]

you have to have them open while you fill the system or it doesnt register on your bar gauge/. you wont over pressure the system

[suzie1]

try alternating the four taps and see which ones work together and raise up the pressure goodnight im tired hope you get it sorted......like i said play about with it....you'll get there in the end,

[Random-Hero]

well I just disconnected the filling loop, so established it wasnt the nuts attaching it to the pipe with any sort of mechanism to allow water through. Leaving me with two options, its either the gold nut (refer to picture P1010016 and its the gold one directly touching the silver piece, the thick gold one on the end does nothing.) or its the giant silver bolt, opposite side to the aforementioned gold ones. I cant find the boiler manual online, as far as i know its an Ikon 23t....

[redstaff]

dont mess with the yellow one its the gas . on the pic of the filling loop it looks as if the valve taps are missing off the brass part of the loop ,. try gently turning it with some grips

[Random-Hero]

I remember when the landlord came over the first time this happened 2 years back, he had to use a spanner to solve it... Ideally dont wanna call him over again though...

[Random-Hero]

Forgot to mention the brass nuts WERE covered by a rubber handle, similar to that of a radiator tap. This had grooves in it which "hold" the gold bolt i was describing, however its SO TIGHT i can't turn either of them. Im 90% sure those bolts must be turned to allow the loop water through. Any ideas on loostening them? tried my 17st brute force to no avail, maybe applying hot water to expand em a little?

[Random-Hero]

hoping today will bring some answers :P

[Random-Hero]

Guess not...

[Random-Hero]

Ended up phoning landlord, turns out those little "nubs" on the end are turnable, which turns the gold valve and allows it through. sorted!