The pope was found out 4 yers ago so why hasnt he quit yet?

[X-ray_pecs]

Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.

Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.

http://news.bbc.co.uk.../panorama/5389684.stm


check bbc iplayer to see if you can see the episode of panorama from october 2006.


ratzinger knew and covered it up.
the evidence is out there.


http://news.bbc.co.uk.../panorama/5402928.stm


Why is this degneerate ex hitler youth nazi sympathiser and the man who for 20 years helped coverup sex abuse by priests , how come hes still in the job?

surely if theres such a thing as divine intervention then he will be shot by an asssasin ?

[X-ray_pecs]

" of all the criticisms of the Pope his membership of the Hitler Jugend shouldn't be amongst them, I don't think he had much choice in that matter. "
Pure conjecture on evrtons part as he said he didnt think , meaning exactly that he didnt know for sure.

" There was a film called "The Bridge" made in the 1950s about it (I havent seen it) the first part of your question is pertinent, the rest I view as irrelevant and nonsencical. "
He comments on a film he hasnt seen and then says he views the rest of my post as irelevant and nonsensical.

In my opinion thats opinionated , pompous and mocking me by intimating that i am also irrelevant.
That may not be your take on it zeuhl.
But as he was posting to me and about me i feel that my opinion on how i feel should really take importance over yours.
Im sure in my position you too would be more interested in your own opinion than mine.

[jno]

Does he say he wanted to join? (Ideally I'd need to read it in German to see what his words were.) If the law said he had to, then all 'voluntary' means is he obeyed the law without waiting for someone to point a gun at him. Who knows, I might have done the same myself; fortunately I have never been put to the test. I just don't regard someone's actions at the age of 14, during a war, as important. He's got much bigger questions to answer.

[Zeuhl]

<<i feel that my opinion on how i feel should really take importance over yours. >>

wow x ray

good job you're not being as pompous as everton LOL :-)

[X-ray_pecs]

Jno give it up he joined voluntarily. Drag the dead horse to another arguement please .

Zeuhl yu say the nazi thing muddys the waters but on the contrary i say should that be forgotten about because the covering up of paedophilia which he undoubtedly did , takes moree importance?
Is that like saying do we try a anzi war criminal for shooting a man dead last year or for commanding a death camp in the second world war where he executed thousands?
Does one or should one take preference?
Arent both wrong?

[X-ray_pecs]

Zeuhl do you like to post things out of context?
Do you report for the daily mail?


But as he was posting to me and about me i feel that my opinion on how i feel should really take importance over yours.
Im sure in my position you too would be more interested in your own opinion than mine.

[jno]

X-ray, what's your authority for saying he joined voluntarily? This isn't an 'argument', I'm just seeking the facts.

[X-ray_pecs]

Ive already said his book. Go read it. His first book not the second one.

[jno]

I have no intention of paying good money to him or his church. Have you read it, or have you got a link to an online version of it I could look at, or are you relying on someone else's summary?

[X-ray_pecs]

Irrespective of what i say you will poo poo it. I have read it i use it as a doorstop but as you wont believe me i will say i read it in the sun.
That should give you ample ammunition to stop flogging that dead horse and continue to press me.
Dont say i didnt give you what you wanted now.

[Meridianman]

Chaps/Ladies I think this is a really interesting debate and something I've been thinking about since I saw a number headlines relating to the topics X-Ray identified at the start.

I think JNO's request/question was perfectly valid and indeed if anyone knows of an on-line site for reference I for one would be keen to read it. Can anyone help with that?

And just for the record I think the questions/comments from the floor have been perfectly valid and appropriate. From this observers view it seems that X-ray is spoiling for a fight, which is a shame because the subject matter is genuinely very interesting and could, if allowed, be an engaging debate.

[McMouse]

Just read that Vatican has issued statement that the Pope is immune from testifying at any child abuse trials. So that's all right then!

[jno]

same as the queen here, I suppose, McMouse. If the head of state is the 'owner' of the law, any testimony from them would inevitably involve conflict of interest. But presumably he could testify if he wanted to?

[123everton]

X-Ray you posted a good question and then ruined it by adding a superfluous piece of information that has absolutely no bearing on the events and then compounding it by stating that an assassination would be an example of divine intervention.
I'm not alone in this observation.