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Is it legal for a line manager or a police officer to open your driving licence to see if there are any points on it?. I would have thought this would bias their option about you.
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There is very little point in recording details of driving convictions on a driving licence if those entitled to see the licence are not permitted to see the conviction details.
08:53 Wed 07th Apr 2010
The judgement a police officer makes, Gerry, is totally different to that made by magistrates or a jury.
The officer has to satisfy himself that there is evidence to support a charge. He is not always certain that there is and others make the final decision whether or not to prosecute. He would not make that judgement purely on the basis of your driving record, but it may lead him to believe that you are more likely to have committed an offence if you have committed similar offences in the past. The officer’s action is only the first step down the road to prosecution and many suspects are not ultimately prosecuted.
Magistrates and juries, on the other hand, have to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that the offence has been committed and this is usually based on the evidence of the latest offence alone without the benefit of the defendant’s previous history.
The two things are completely different.
As far as your work query goes I think you are worrying unnecessarily. You have to provide a lot of details about what you consider to be your “private life” to your employer. There is absolutely no doubt that you would not be allowed to drive on company business (even if you used your own car) unless you could satisfy your manager that you are licence to drive and that your driving record does not clash with either company policy or their insurer’s requirements. Most managers have better things to do that bandy copies of your driving licence around the company.
The officer has to satisfy himself that there is evidence to support a charge. He is not always certain that there is and others make the final decision whether or not to prosecute. He would not make that judgement purely on the basis of your driving record, but it may lead him to believe that you are more likely to have committed an offence if you have committed similar offences in the past. The officer’s action is only the first step down the road to prosecution and many suspects are not ultimately prosecuted.
Magistrates and juries, on the other hand, have to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that the offence has been committed and this is usually based on the evidence of the latest offence alone without the benefit of the defendant’s previous history.
The two things are completely different.
As far as your work query goes I think you are worrying unnecessarily. You have to provide a lot of details about what you consider to be your “private life” to your employer. There is absolutely no doubt that you would not be allowed to drive on company business (even if you used your own car) unless you could satisfy your manager that you are licence to drive and that your driving record does not clash with either company policy or their insurer’s requirements. Most managers have better things to do that bandy copies of your driving licence around the company.
Why do you think a court is not allowed to know whereas a policeman is? Of course a court must know so they can mange the totting up sytem. Where I work we are expected to declare any points and give copies of our driving licences otherwise we are not insured for using the pool cars or driving to meetings. It's an expectation that the transport manager keeps details locked away and doesn't divulge them except to authorised persons.
Precisely.
For businesses (and indeed individuals) to function there has to be mutual trust and nobody can go through life reasonably without trusting some of those around them. A lot of information is provided on the basis that you trust it will not be misused. You may have to tell your employer, for example, that you are suffering an illness that may effect your work. You trust they will not post the information on the noticeboard. The alternative is you withhold the information, the business cannot function properly and the individual probably ends up losing his job.
I am all for keeping one’s details securely and not divulging them to those who do not need to have them. However, individuals have to interact with businesses both as customers and employees and I think Gerry is verging on the border of paranoia by refusing to trust people with information about him that they need.
For businesses (and indeed individuals) to function there has to be mutual trust and nobody can go through life reasonably without trusting some of those around them. A lot of information is provided on the basis that you trust it will not be misused. You may have to tell your employer, for example, that you are suffering an illness that may effect your work. You trust they will not post the information on the noticeboard. The alternative is you withhold the information, the business cannot function properly and the individual probably ends up losing his job.
I am all for keeping one’s details securely and not divulging them to those who do not need to have them. However, individuals have to interact with businesses both as customers and employees and I think Gerry is verging on the border of paranoia by refusing to trust people with information about him that they need.
I think you are all following the party line. all police are not honest. police corruption is rife. people are being set up all the time.
why was the paper licence devised that way to keep things certain details hidden. I have not had a single objective answer from anyone has anyone actually looked up the law on this subject or are you all guessing?
why was the paper licence devised that way to keep things certain details hidden. I have not had a single objective answer from anyone has anyone actually looked up the law on this subject or are you all guessing?
There doesn't need to be a law that covers your employer looking at your license.
You have two choice if they ask to see it
Show it to them, let them inspect it and take a copy.
Get another Job.
As for police, you'd have to be a little crazy to even think there is a possibility they are not allowed to look at your license, and as others have said even if you don't show it to them a quick roadside PNC check will tell them everything that's on it.
(you don't by chance wear any silver foil headgear do you?)
You have two choice if they ask to see it
Show it to them, let them inspect it and take a copy.
Get another Job.
As for police, you'd have to be a little crazy to even think there is a possibility they are not allowed to look at your license, and as others have said even if you don't show it to them a quick roadside PNC check will tell them everything that's on it.
(you don't by chance wear any silver foil headgear do you?)
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Driving is not your human right. You have to be licensed and that license has to be available for inspection by the relevant authorities, whether it is your boss, the police, a car hire company.
The police are fully aware of a person's criminal history when they arrest him or her on suspicion of any crime, or very shortly afterwards. The police look for known hooligans at football matches, for example; shops have photos of banned persons displayed in staff areas; transport police know who repeatedly try to dodge fares.
If you have points on your licence, it is your own fault, nobody elses.
The police are fully aware of a person's criminal history when they arrest him or her on suspicion of any crime, or very shortly afterwards. The police look for known hooligans at football matches, for example; shops have photos of banned persons displayed in staff areas; transport police know who repeatedly try to dodge fares.
If you have points on your licence, it is your own fault, nobody elses.
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