Another possible breakthrough! Craft / Rose help please!!!

[dotty.]

I've been looking for the daughter of my great great grandad and his first wife for 10 years or more but thanks to ancestry I am hoping that last night I finally found her!!! Clara C Trafford was born in Nottingham to Mary Ann (nee Would) and William Trafford, they had married just before but William seems to have deserted the family very quickly, gone up to North Lincoknshire and made a family with Emma Fletcher having 11 children over the next 20 years!
Anyway, I think I have found (at last!) that Clara C Trafford born 1873 Nottingham, may have married a Sidney Thomas Wenborn (1865 - 1939) at Tower Hamlets and lived Warmington Oxfordshire where she died in 1915. On her marriage cert she gives her full name as Clara Crumbey Trafford and her father is William Trafford, Miller, which is the right name and occupation for him.
William Trafford is missing from the 1911 census with his family in Todmorden but dies in Tod 1915 and is buried at Cross Stone, Tod.
If Clara C Wenborn is on the 1911 census as born Nottingham then I know 100% I have found her at last!
Fingers crossed for this one as it may open up a whole new line!

Thanks in advance guys!

[Rose Maybud]

Hi Dot, just to let you know i've read your post. Had a look on 1911 but it's not going to be one of those straightforward lookups. I expect to be called away any moment, but will continue trying :)

[dotty.]

Thanks for your reply Rose! I've phoned my cousin and got all excited about this lol really hoping it's right! (still lots to find even after almost 30 years of looking!)

[Rose Maybud]

Aw, sorry I haven't found her yet. Found Sidney Thomas senior with his three spinster daughters. I've tried all sorts of things, but the pair of them remain elusive. Any other info such as offspring? I expect you were hoping to find that out from their 1911 return...

I note from 1901 that Sidney was a surveyor - perhaps he was posted somewhere weird?

Was your Clara the nurse at the North Staffordshire Infirmary at Stoke in 1901?

I note another marriage for a Clara Trafford in Leek in Sep 1907 - can't find her either. But then, there was a birth in Jun 1875 for a Clara in Leek, so doesn't look likely.

Found Clara with granny in 1881 in Lincs, so looks like she was used to moving around.

No more ideas right now.

[dotty.]

ahhhh yes she will have been the nurse as on her married cert in 1908 she is a nurse and matron at the Vistoria Park Hospital in London! I've not found her on the 1901 at all on ancestry!

[Rose Maybud]

1901 - Clara was at the North Staffordshire Infirmary, Hartshill, Stoke on Trent, RG 13, piece 2610, folio 179 page 1. FMP transcription is:
TRAFFORD, Clara Officer Single F 27 1874 Hospital Nurse
Nottingham Nottinghamshire
There are several pages listing the staff and about 10 pages in all after the patients have been listed.

[craft1948]

I can't find either of them in the 1911 census either. Did you know a Neville T Wenborn was born 1912 Q2 in Farnham 2a 227 with the mother's maiden name of Trafford?

[Rose Maybud]

As for Ancestry - I now subscribe (visit from the in laws prompted that) and I find Census stuff there that I can't find on FMP, so do I take it that the transcriptions are independent?

Also, regarding your last post re people pinching ancestors - any advice as to what / what not to include? Haven't done any serious work putting trees on Ancestry yet.

[dotty.]

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr barstewrds at ancestry had transcribed Clara as Wafford not trafford! That confirms that i have the right one on the marriage in 1908 as the occupation matches! He was a Major in the army and so they could have been anywhere, thanks Rose, your finding her properly transcribed is good enough for me!

[dotty.]

thanks for that Craft, I'd not taken the time to look at the pre-1915 birth index for any children. She would have been 38 by then but it's a possible.

I keep all my tree input on the private settings Rose and only invite people to look at the info that i know are related. These people I am on about just grab at any record they think looks right and do no cross checks, it's awful really as you want to tell them how stupid they are.

[dotty.]

oh dear neville died in 1912 too, I thought he must have died before his father in 1938 as he wasn't named as an executor in the calendar of grants , though there is a possible son named i haven't checked back on

[Rose Maybud]

Farnham RD at one stage covered Aldershot, which was the home of the British Army, so there MAY be an Army connection.

[dotty.]

Yes and Clara died at Warmington Oxfordshire in 1915 which I know must be that way on somewhere!

[craft1948]

This any good dotty?

http://wc.rootsweb.an...rutherford-uk&id=I292

[dotty.]

Yesssssss brilliant Craft excellent! thanks!

[dotty.]

oh I've just found Clara P Wenborn of the Manor, Warmington, arriving at Liverpool in July 1915 from New York on the Philadelphia! They've mis-transcribed the middle initial as it is a C not a P in the ships passenger list! She died 5 months later

[dotty.]

Oh my lord she travelled from Hong Kong to Vancouver a few months before that. 15 may 1915 she landed at Vancouver on the Monteagle, which means she has then travelled across Canada, or the US to get to New York , where she must have left on the Philadelphia in early July! That's half way round the world in a matter of weeks!!! She tarvelled alone and so i wonder if Sidney was already working in Hong Kong or thereabours? The journey must have exhausted her!

[craft1948]

You've done well there dotty as I couldn't find her travelling abroad on findmypast....I wonder where her daughter was.....

[dotty.]

I've just been reading up on the ships Clara must have travelled on, and the Monteagle was bought with a whole fleet of ships by the Canadian Pacific railway company in 1903 after the Canadian Government urged Canadian pacific to start up a transatlantic shipping line, using the suez canal. so she may have gone that way rather than across land to New York,

[dotty.]

DOH, i meant the Panama canal for gawd sake!