Another terrorist apoligist?

[MrsT]

http://news.sky.com/s...w_On_TV_Show_The_View
The guy said " we should not have a mosque at ground zero because Muslims killed us on 911" - is there something ambiguous about that? Why is Whoopie having a fit?

[sp1814]

MrsT

Because it'd be like someone in 1984 saying "You cannot build a Catholic church near the Grand Hotel because the IRA blew it up during the Tory party conference.

There are some simple-minded people who associate extremists with a whole religious set, rather than understanding that extremists use religion to justify their cause.

[anotheoldgit]

One has to be careful what one says these days, I bet it never entered that chaps head to add the word 'extremist' before he uttering Muslim, for that he has been castigated.

Harking back to WW2 we have another example of the same:-.

'It was not the Germans it was the Nazis'.

[jake-the-peg]

Perhaps they shouldn't have churches in Iraq seeing how many Christians invaded the country and killed so many of it's people.

And AOG - ever come across any German Jewss dropping bombs on England in the Blitz?

[youngmafbog]

Jake, I dont think it is being said there should be no mosque. Just the siting of this particular one. It ahs to be said, it is very insenstive slmost to the point of a deliberate provacation.

And yes, it would be inappropiate to have a Church on ground where 3 thousand Mulsims had been killed by Christians

[jake-the-peg]

But that's the point

The 9/11 terrorists were muslims but they don't represent all muslims any more than George W. Bush represents all Christians.

Having a mosque there would be an important step in New york recognising that and showing that america is not at war with all muslims.

Unfortunately there seems to be a set of rather stupid aggressive people who want exactly that

[MrsT]

Well they've got one in the white house, I think that's enough!

[anotheoldgit]

Perhaps those that said the static protest by the EDL was a complete provocation to the Muslims, perhaps can now understand, why this Mosque could also be a complete provocation to others?

But I doubt it, seeing that these things only seem to work one way.

[Kromovaracun]

"it is very insenstive slmost to the point of a deliberate provacation. "

I could understand this view if the mosque was actually on Ground Zero, but it isn't. It's just somewhere near it. I think sp's analogy very accurately gets across what's wrong with the argument.

[sandyRoe]

The proposed Islamic Centre isn't on the hallowed ground. It's in a run-down district nearby. How far away would it have to be to satisfy these protesters?

[rojash]

Yes, the fact is that the Ground Zero Mosque is neither a mosque nor is it at ground zero.
But just as in the UK, US right-wingers never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

[boxtops]

I'd agree with rojash, the planned mosque is not actually in the new Ground Zero buildings, it would be several blocks away. As has been said, not all Muslims approved of 9-11 or would have condoned it - they can't all be tarred with the same brush. Mrs T - I though Obama has said he's not Muslim? His middle name may be Hussain but nobody is sure of that. This article is interesting (especially the last few lines - name-calling in the name of religion is obviously nothing new).
http://www.alarabiya....010/09/14/119237.html

[jaydah]

Ground Zero is a burial site. If muslims or any other religion/sect had similar opposition to a development, is it too much for them to respect the majority wishes of the community.

Muslims show their audacity by pushing for this development regardless.

[rojash]

jaydah, which bit of "it's not at ground zero, but several blocks away" do you not understand?

[modeller]

The term 2 blocks away is meaningless . I have read many reports and this one sums it up.

# Here's the map. Again, I'm 95% sure that it's the building with the Amish market.
That would put it 220 feet away from the edges of what was the world trade center plaza. And
it's 450 feet from the "pit". #

I then thought what if a Nazi cultural centre was built 250/450ft from Auschwitz would that acceptable.

[boxtops]

Point taken modeller, the aerial view in this article shows that it's relatively close. http://www.zimbio.com...tion+aerial+map+shows

The plan is however for a large cultural centre with meeting rooms, library, etc which everyone could use (from what I've read) so the mosque accommodation is only part of the new development. I can see both sides of this discussion - but how many years might it be before rank and file Muslims (who were no part of the atrocities and did not/do not support them) will be able to consider integrating back into NY society by building an openly-available centre like this, so people can see for themselves what goes on?

[jaydah]

albeit GZ or nearby the debate has been thrown global. Local community wishes should take priority and muslims must accept it or invite the wrath of others.

This is NOT the way for a said 'peaceful' faith to act.