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How many ABer's use their degrees they got at Uni in their job now?
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I was reading about graduates who are waiting tables and are barman/maiding as they can't get decent jobs with their degrees...
I admit I had every intention of using mine, but then two weeks after I left uni a job came up producing cookery books and I never looked back.
I admit I had every intention of using mine, but then two weeks after I left uni a job came up producing cookery books and I never looked back.
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whiskeyron ...
You thought the US was a democracy.
Sorry ... I needed a short break to recover from laughing.
Just a few thoughts.
Isn't "democracy" synonymous with individual rights? How often do people speak of their "democratic rights" ?
In the US, you have the right to vote for a President ... as opposed to "a right to elect" the President. As we know, if the votes are close, and appear to be going the "wrong" way, the Administration shuts its doors, and reopens them two weeks later to announce that Mr Bush is your new President. Err ... really???
As Wikileaks and The Guardian demonstrated recently, most of the "information" generated by the US Govt is complete lies. And, if a member of the public (say, Julian Assange) tries to expose the lies, the Govt says that is is HIM who is "a threat to democracy" ... a trite phrase trotted out by Hilary Clinton to scare those people who don't stop to think ... hang on, surely our right to know what you lot are doing "on our behalf" is the VERY ESSENCE of democracy, rather than a THREAT to it!
So, in the US, you have the right to shut up, do what the Govt tells you, and don't ask too many questions. If you do ask questions, you might find that the US Govt has a quiet word with its friends, and you find yourself arrested on some spurious indecency charge, and held in custody while they try to manufacture some fake evidence against you.
Now, when did we see a political philosophy in which a similar situation arose?
Aah, yes ... Stalinism.
So, in economic terms, there is a big difference Stalinist Russia and the modern US. But in terms of the running of the State ... there are waaay more similarities than difference.
And this is all justified, in the US, by their absolute conviction (1) th
You thought the US was a democracy.
Sorry ... I needed a short break to recover from laughing.
Just a few thoughts.
Isn't "democracy" synonymous with individual rights? How often do people speak of their "democratic rights" ?
In the US, you have the right to vote for a President ... as opposed to "a right to elect" the President. As we know, if the votes are close, and appear to be going the "wrong" way, the Administration shuts its doors, and reopens them two weeks later to announce that Mr Bush is your new President. Err ... really???
As Wikileaks and The Guardian demonstrated recently, most of the "information" generated by the US Govt is complete lies. And, if a member of the public (say, Julian Assange) tries to expose the lies, the Govt says that is is HIM who is "a threat to democracy" ... a trite phrase trotted out by Hilary Clinton to scare those people who don't stop to think ... hang on, surely our right to know what you lot are doing "on our behalf" is the VERY ESSENCE of democracy, rather than a THREAT to it!
So, in the US, you have the right to shut up, do what the Govt tells you, and don't ask too many questions. If you do ask questions, you might find that the US Govt has a quiet word with its friends, and you find yourself arrested on some spurious indecency charge, and held in custody while they try to manufacture some fake evidence against you.
Now, when did we see a political philosophy in which a similar situation arose?
Aah, yes ... Stalinism.
So, in economic terms, there is a big difference Stalinist Russia and the modern US. But in terms of the running of the State ... there are waaay more similarities than difference.
And this is all justified, in the US, by their absolute conviction (1) th
... by their absolute conviction (1) that there is a supernatural God, and (2) that he supports the American Government. If you try to argue that any God would probably be nationalistically neutral, or if you stood for US political office as a "non believer" ... you wouldn't stand a chance. They would rather elect a loony like Sarah Palin than elect someone who believed that the Universe was created by scientific forces.
So, the US claims to be a democracy. It claims to be THE democracy. And you'd better agree with them. If you don't ... you might find that you mysteriously vanish!
So, the US claims to be a democracy. It claims to be THE democracy. And you'd better agree with them. If you don't ... you might find that you mysteriously vanish!
Would have liked to have been around this afternoon JJ, having once read Philosophy e but half asleep now. I think it was Quentin Hogg who wrote about the "Tyranny of Parliament". re your discussion with Sqad. I doubt if the ruling class of the U.S. believes in the deity but are clever enough to use Religion as an instrument of social control.
Quite possibly, seadogg.
Or, another slant ...
On a one to one basis, most educated Americans would profess to adhere to the more scientific belief.
But ... would they say it in public? No.
Why not?
Because they are afraid of how all those other educated Americans would react when you stand them all together ...
... and they cease being educated individuals, and become "the masses" ...
... whose collective belief is always different from the sum of its parts!
It illustrates the existence of the "will of the people".
Or, another slant ...
On a one to one basis, most educated Americans would profess to adhere to the more scientific belief.
But ... would they say it in public? No.
Why not?
Because they are afraid of how all those other educated Americans would react when you stand them all together ...
... and they cease being educated individuals, and become "the masses" ...
... whose collective belief is always different from the sum of its parts!
It illustrates the existence of the "will of the people".
Sqad and JoggerJayne.
We DO NOT live in a democracy! We live in a 'parliamentary democracy' and that is completely different to a democracy. It would be just as accurate to use the term 'parliamentart dictatorship' as parliamentary democracy - they are the same thing.
What happens in the UK is those who have been fooled into thinking they actually have some say in the running of the country toddle off to the polling station once every five years to put a cross on a bit of paper - for just one of two parties (or the Lib Dems if they want to be really unorthodox!) Once either New Labour or the Tories form the next government they then form a dictatorship for the next five years doing exactly as they wish. People living in a democracy would have a say in all decisions made. Instead we have none. If we lived in a democracy we would have had no poll tax, attack on Iraq, destruction of the UK by membership of Europe etc. The reason those were forced on us was that we live in a dictatorship (parliamentary democracy) with no say in the running of the country. As with any such state those at the top line their pockets whilst presiding over the poverty of their country and people.
Secondly, a democracy reflects the will of the majority. Our parliamentary democracy is always ruled by a party that represents a significant minority. 38% support is all that's needed for a party to win a UK election which means they don't represent 62%. I don't agree with either the Tories or New Labour so where is my representative? I've never voted in my life as there's never been a party to represent my views or for me to vote for. We DO NOT live in a democracy.
I've always found it surprising how many people believe from the cradle that Britain is a democracy. It's only because successive governments have brainwashed people from childhood into thinking the UK is that they believe it and parrot the term without question. We live in a two par
We DO NOT live in a democracy! We live in a 'parliamentary democracy' and that is completely different to a democracy. It would be just as accurate to use the term 'parliamentart dictatorship' as parliamentary democracy - they are the same thing.
What happens in the UK is those who have been fooled into thinking they actually have some say in the running of the country toddle off to the polling station once every five years to put a cross on a bit of paper - for just one of two parties (or the Lib Dems if they want to be really unorthodox!) Once either New Labour or the Tories form the next government they then form a dictatorship for the next five years doing exactly as they wish. People living in a democracy would have a say in all decisions made. Instead we have none. If we lived in a democracy we would have had no poll tax, attack on Iraq, destruction of the UK by membership of Europe etc. The reason those were forced on us was that we live in a dictatorship (parliamentary democracy) with no say in the running of the country. As with any such state those at the top line their pockets whilst presiding over the poverty of their country and people.
Secondly, a democracy reflects the will of the majority. Our parliamentary democracy is always ruled by a party that represents a significant minority. 38% support is all that's needed for a party to win a UK election which means they don't represent 62%. I don't agree with either the Tories or New Labour so where is my representative? I've never voted in my life as there's never been a party to represent my views or for me to vote for. We DO NOT live in a democracy.
I've always found it surprising how many people believe from the cradle that Britain is a democracy. It's only because successive governments have brainwashed people from childhood into thinking the UK is that they believe it and parrot the term without question. We live in a two par
Oh, right.
Well, yes ... to all of that.
I think Heather Brookes has blown away a lot of the veneer of the UK being a "democracy" with the expenses scandal.
Not the expenses themselves, but the lengths to which MPs went to try to prevent us from finding out how our elected representatives were spending OUR money in the execution of their function representing US !
And now, in her book The Silent State ... OMG, I think I'll move somewhere where there is a bit more freedom and transparency, like maybe Afghanistan !!!
Well, yes ... to all of that.
I think Heather Brookes has blown away a lot of the veneer of the UK being a "democracy" with the expenses scandal.
Not the expenses themselves, but the lengths to which MPs went to try to prevent us from finding out how our elected representatives were spending OUR money in the execution of their function representing US !
And now, in her book The Silent State ... OMG, I think I'll move somewhere where there is a bit more freedom and transparency, like maybe Afghanistan !!!
Would you like to tell us, Andy, which country does exercise the kind of democracy that you idealise? The UK seems to operate in pretty much the same manner as every other democratic country. What`s the alternative then, communism? As you don`t use your vote in the elections, maybe you could use your time and energies to become a member of parliament and change the system to one that you see fit.
237 ...
Whether or not any other country operates some sort of Utopian democracy is surely not the issue, is it?
If nowhere has one, then nowhere has one.
But ... the Govt should stop trying to dupe us into thinking that WE have one ... when nothing could be much further from the truth.
How did we get on to all this?
I was only trying to illustrate that any academic subject which teaches you to think about things is as good as any other subject.
Whether or not any other country operates some sort of Utopian democracy is surely not the issue, is it?
If nowhere has one, then nowhere has one.
But ... the Govt should stop trying to dupe us into thinking that WE have one ... when nothing could be much further from the truth.
How did we get on to all this?
I was only trying to illustrate that any academic subject which teaches you to think about things is as good as any other subject.
237SJ.
Democracy was born and died in ancient Greece. The basic principle was that various proposals were put to the assembled people who then discussed and voted on each issue. That was democracy - rule of the people.
There is no country in the world that exercises democracy - certainly not the UK or US. The US is worse than here. The next preseident is whoever raises the most money and the electorate vote for the person, not the policies. This concept of all countries being independent democracies has only been around since the end of WWII and it's the last political experiment of the 20th century - a century of failed political experiments. This one has also failed and it's only been at full speed since the fall of the wall and 1995. Look at the mess the world is in now!
Please don't use this ridiculous term 'my vote'. It's as worthless as yours if only you looked at it. Who do you vote for? Tory or New Labour? As I said, I don't agree with either of them. So who represents my views? Why should I vote New Labour when I don't agree with them? Why should I vote Tory? I can't stand either of them.
I spent several years as an unpaid advocate and public representative with my councils and NHS 'to identify gaps in the system and lobby for change'. I attended meetings and was the public rep on interview panels. I got many bad practises changed and stopped a lot of money being wasted and squandered. Having worked at the council for 5 years I started to indentify many of the fiddles in both systems (mileage, expenses, end of budget etc) - which was when they panicked and stopped inviting me! I also sat on interview panels and I made the decision about various appointments.
It was all a bit more effective than a ridiculous cross on a bit of paper once every 5 years.
Democracy was born and died in ancient Greece. The basic principle was that various proposals were put to the assembled people who then discussed and voted on each issue. That was democracy - rule of the people.
There is no country in the world that exercises democracy - certainly not the UK or US. The US is worse than here. The next preseident is whoever raises the most money and the electorate vote for the person, not the policies. This concept of all countries being independent democracies has only been around since the end of WWII and it's the last political experiment of the 20th century - a century of failed political experiments. This one has also failed and it's only been at full speed since the fall of the wall and 1995. Look at the mess the world is in now!
Please don't use this ridiculous term 'my vote'. It's as worthless as yours if only you looked at it. Who do you vote for? Tory or New Labour? As I said, I don't agree with either of them. So who represents my views? Why should I vote New Labour when I don't agree with them? Why should I vote Tory? I can't stand either of them.
I spent several years as an unpaid advocate and public representative with my councils and NHS 'to identify gaps in the system and lobby for change'. I attended meetings and was the public rep on interview panels. I got many bad practises changed and stopped a lot of money being wasted and squandered. Having worked at the council for 5 years I started to indentify many of the fiddles in both systems (mileage, expenses, end of budget etc) - which was when they panicked and stopped inviting me! I also sat on interview panels and I made the decision about various appointments.
It was all a bit more effective than a ridiculous cross on a bit of paper once every 5 years.
Just to illustrate my point. Who voted for all these 'paibnful cuts and reforms' Cameron announced last years JUST AFTER the last election? I can't remember them being mentioned BEFORE the election. Yet as soon as he was grinning from No10 Cameron announced that we would all have to have these very painful cuts - like it or not! Is that democracy? Did you vote for that then 237SJ? We didn't hear about them until after the election.
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