Will the Tories defy Winston Churchill today?

[jake-the-peg]

Is there any point in todays vote whether to allow prisoners the vote since the Government is not obliged to respect any back bench motion like this?

Or are the Tory back benchers simply looking to protect their own reputations and don't care whether or not they're going embaress David Cameron?


Winston Churchill signed us up to the European Court in the 50's after all and it's well known that in Tory Circles he could do no wrong - do they not know their place?

[sandyRoe]

To give prisoners the vote would set us all on a very slippery slope. Why, the next thing to happen is that women might want it too.

[modeller]

Why would it embaress DC ? He said giving prisoners the vote makes him sick and he has said the whole human rights act has gone too far . What is more he knows that most of the general public are on his side in that matter.

[joggerjayne]

It's time to repeal the Human Rights Act.

Number of people whose basic rights have been protected by The Act ... 0

Number who have abused The Act to argue that, whatever
they happen to fancy doing, constitutes a "human right" ... Thousands

Repeal The Act ... NOW.

In fact, I think the Human Rights Act is a breach of my human rights, and it is my human right to have the Human Rights Act repealed.

[boxtops]

Hear hear jj - the HRA always seems to be invoked to protect some wrongdoer, it never seems to be on the side of the victim, or the (wo)man in the street.

[R1Geezer]

he may have signed us up but that doesn't mean he agrees with every crack pot judgement in the same way that, although you think the sun shines out of Tony Blair's arris I don;t think even a Noo Labour devotee like you supported everything they did.

Ok jake, endulge me, make the case for criminal scum having the vote, I can't in my wildest dreams see how it's an ooman rights issue.

[jake-the-peg]

So why doesn't he?

There won't be taThe Human rights act is a fiction

All that was happening was that too many people were bogging down the European court with appeals so the Human rights act made that part of our national law rather so that sucjh cases could be dealt with in British courts rather than inEurope

No body got any more rights that they had before

The Human rights act giving people rights is an entire fiction of the press - it just unclogged the Europen Court.

But coming back to why it would embaress Cameron - it makes him look impotent

Of course he isn't - If we derrogated from the courts decisions it wouldn't force us out of the EU.

He just doesn't want to spend the next 3 years fighting the European wars in the Tory party.

I think I predicted in May that the coalition would be at each others throats over Europe in 6 months - looks like they stuck it out a bit longer but not much.


Personally I think let them vote who cares - providing that doesn't extend to local elections (Acknowledgment to New judge for highlighting that issue). I've still not managed to get clear whether this affects local elections or not.

[rov1100]

Cameron is caught between a rock and a hard place. If European law states that if prisoners are refused the vote they can sue the country for £mns. Nobody not even the backbenchers must realise this. It is obvious the EU hs too much power over our own affairs and he should do what he said he would do in his manifesto and replace the European human rights with a National body of rights. Citing the opposition by Liberal members is a cop out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12409426

[McMouse]

rov this is not an EU thing.

[joggerjayne]

Yes, totally, Boxy.

The only people who seem to have acquired any rights are criminals and people who don't need any more rights.

I'm in prison for murder - it's my human right to have access to the internet.

I got locked up for breaking the law ... it's my human right to vote to decide who makes the laws in future (not that it affects me, because I don't obey the law!)

You don't have lots of children, because you can't afford them. It's my human right to have loads of them, and to ask you to pay for all of mine, even though you can't afford your own.

Etc.

[R1Geezer]

so your justification for prisoners voting is based entirely on your indifference to it! vintage Jake vintage!

[I.Don No]

if this goes through then this country is well and truly going down the pan, quicker than even I thought it was.

How is it right to allow lawbreakers a say in electing lawmakers?

next thing will be paedophiles asking for small children provided free for them on the nhs.........a little strong I agree, but you get my point I hope.

[whiskeryron]

Prisoners being allowed to vote!!!! What on earth is happening in this country ? The next thing that I predict will be a demand that prison inmates should look after & govern themselves they should have their own parliament inside, elect their own MPs & only allow visitors of their own choosing, The Prison Officers Service could be disbanded saving the country millions ( are we quietly going mad)

[brionon]

What a non-event this is. What possible difference can a few thousand votes make ?

[youngmafbog]

Hopefully it will be the start of pulling out the EU.

Tell the sprouts where to go and get on Governing ourselves, correctly and justly.

And save a few billion in the process.

[modeller]

brionon // What possible difference can a few thousand votes make ? //
In marginal areas half a dozen votes or less can make a difference.

[anotheoldgit]

Come on jake, you are quick to include Churchill in your post, but you seem a little shy in providing your Guardian link to the part Churchill played?

Well I will save you the trouble.

http://tinyurl.com/y8mcwv6