Does Ian Duncan Smith think he's a Victorian workhouse master?

[sandyRoe]

He's going to make life very difficult for people on benefits and appears to be relishing the prospect.

[LoftyLottie]

Don't understand what you mean by relishing the prospect. Something has to be done and it is not all benefits, it is benefits linked to unemployment. Life will be more difficult for those that don't accept jobs that are offered to them, and questions will be asked about peoples ability to take on work. Surely this is acceptable.

[TheTruthHere]

LoftyLottie all benefits !

[ummmm]

It's aimed at the people who routinely turn jobs down. Can't see the issue myself.

[LoftyLottie]

Did you here him talking this morning? The real benefit shake up is on Unemployment benefit and those benefits linked to it. That was his remit.

[LoftyLottie]

Absolutely ummmm. Those people and those who have been dodging employment because of supposed disabilities. Genuine people will not be hounded.

[TheTruthHere]

What did he say after dinner

Maybe the duncan smith that i heard was a Victorian workhouse master

[redcrx]

Labour should have started to cut back on those milking the system years ago. how can the money be found now to pay for all those on benefits to stay as they are, to give everyone the option of working or not, because theres not enough money to go around for all?
I suppose theres the option of reducing education costs to cover it? after all, those who wont want to work will hardly need GCSEs will they? as long as they can sign their name theyll be fine.

[LoftyLottie]

And why should people on benefits be bringing in more money than working people. He plans to end this. Nothing wrong with that either.

I can't see where 'relishing the prospect' comes in. I didn't vote for them, but in this respect I think what they are doing is much fairer than the present system which is dishing out our money to people who are work shy and who are enjoying a better life style than lots of hard working people.

[Old_Geezer]

He's a Tory MP, of course he believes in traditional right wing solutions. Such as hit the feckless and all will be well. Anyone out of work it's their own fault for not getting on their bike and trying to get selected at the works gate.

[McMouse]

There are families living on benefits who are in houses that working families cannot afford. That can't be right.

[LoftyLottie]

Agreed McMouse.

[TheTruthHere]

I agree that you should not be better off out of work than in work but the only ones that i see better off are the ones with kids.

Simple question LoftyLottie do you think they will make the kids suffer

or

Hit those that have no kids ?

[ummmm]

People with children are expected to work once the child hits 10. I think they are lowering it to 7. They will be treated the same.

[LoftyLottie]

Difficult question. Ultimately, kids have to be protected, but the people really responsible for protecting kids should be the parents or guardians of those kids - Not the state! Unfortunately, people have leant to heavily on the state and have got complacent and have been able to get away with it, knowing that the money will flow in because of the kids.

I see where you are coming from TheTruth Here. But the system has to be changed so that people start to take responsibility for their actions and if their families suffer it is really unfortunate. But something has to happen to stop people who can work not working.

[TheTruthHere]

<< Under the new Universal Credit system, anyone claiming for more than 12 months will be put into a “Work Programme” of intensive help finding a job.

Withdrawing housing benefit from people in that programme would not make sense, Mr Duncan Smith said. >>

So they will still live in the houses that the workers can't afford McMouse

On another thread someone says that there are 500,000 job vacancies

Where are all these jobs ? 12000 jobs in London is no good to someone living in Bolton.

There are more people coming out of work each day do you honestly think that all these people want to live on benefits ?

[daffy654]

The lazy ones are finally getting their just desserts. I do worry about the genuinely disabled getting caught up in the frenzy though. I know of terminally ill people who were turned down for ESA and I have no reason to believe it will be any different for DLA/PIP claimants when the changes arrive.

[TheTruthHere]

That is the problem Daffy