Iran...an eye for an eye

[R1Geezer]

http://news.bbc.co.uk...ddle_east/7754756.stm
Looks like old Dinnerjacket's mob are excelling themselves this time? Can an eye for an eye justice ever be justified?

[Gromit]

Many countries still have capital punishment for murder, this is just extending that principle.

I don't agree with capital punishment, so I shouldn't agree with this, but a part of me thinks the bastard will get what he deserves.

Sorry for the wishy washy answer.

[R1Geezer]

Wishy washy! surely not you Gromit! It sort of sounds fair doesn't it but when you consider the mechanism the state must have to carry this out it suddenly gets messy. Apparently a doctor carries out the process, as they do with hand amputation, wonder how hipocrates would stand on that!

[Gromit]

// Iranian officials have endorsed the the sentence in the hope of halting an increase in the rate of acid attacks. But human rights activists have warned against an "inhumane" sentence. //

Makes our ASBOs look feeble.

http://www.guardian.c...n-blind-criminal-acid

[rojash]

There was a thread on here only a few days ago about referendums, one of the questions referring to hanging. Quite a lot of peeps (including AOG) were all for dropping a fully conscious person through a trapdoor with a rope tied round their neck. At least (according to the report I read), this guy will be anaesthetised first.
(That's not to say I agree with it, but it would be interesting to see the opinions of the "bring back the rope" mob).

[modeller]

I'm a great believer in making the punishment fitting the crime if it's possible . If the crime is brutal so should be the punishment .The old 10 commandments had a lot going for them but they are not always possible . Sharia Law such as stoning to death for adultary does not fit the crime especially as it mainly applies to women . However in the case of the acid blinding which has become common place the punishment which in this case does fit the crime has considerable merit . I notice few ABers so far have had the bottle to stand up and give their opinion . Good for you Gromit you have said what many believe .

[chris1957au]

It get my vote should be more of it, to many PC people around to day.

[hc4361]

The woman herself is going to do it, with an eye dropper.

To put acid over someone's face is an act of madness or evil; to do it cold blood is beyond my comprehension.

[modeller]

No she's not !. . It was never ever proposed .
When interviewed by a newspaper she was reported as saying she would be willing to do so . If you were were disfigured, had 20 operations and were left totally blind I believe you might say the same. If it was your daughter ,what would you say ?
Give him an ASBO

[hc4361]

Yes she was!
Bahrami, who was scheduled to herself administer the blinding drops to an anaesthetized Movahedi, learned of the delay outside the Judiciary Hospital in Tehran.

Read more: http://www.time.com/t...00.html#ixzz1MRHX8b1W

[hc4361]

She has made it quite clear - compensation of 2 million euros (its equivalent) and his life imprisonment, or she will administer 20 drops of acid to each eye.
The attacker does not have that sort of money, so she is going to do it, if the government in Iran allows.
It keeps being postponed.

[sara3]

she was shown on the news yesterday.. quite disappointed at the postponement.

[mike11111]

This is beyond belief. It might be unfashionable to say so, but I am firmly of the opinion that victims of crime should have absolutely no say in the punishment awarded. That is what the law is for. Otherwise we just descend into mob rule. This is not to say that the perpetrator in this instance does not deserve condign punishment.

[hc4361]

I agree with you, Mike.
Her family have begged her not to do it, but she is determined to have her revenge.

I am truly appalled at the injuries she has suffered at the hands of that man - it was a vicious and horrific attack and the man should be punished.

But I cannot accept a victim putting acid in to the eyes of her attacker.

[modeller]

Mike .// condign //: fitting or appropriate and deserved; used especially of punishment; //
Saying condign is a cop out . What you don't say is what punishment , in this case ,is condign . If your daughter was the victim what punishment would you accept as //fitting or appropriate and deserved; used especially of punishment; // ?

[modeller]

I asked hc4361 the same question and he didn't answer either.

[mike11111]

For such a case I would recommend a very long period of incarceration, regardless of whether the victim was my daughter. To suggest otherwise is to create the law of the vendetta, which has no place in a civilised Western society (which Iran obviously is not).

[tara20]

Yes, Mike, incarceration is appropriate, but - I'd paper the walls with her picture, so it's the first thing he sees in the morning and the last at night. And nothing else.

[hc4361]

Sorry, Mike, I wasn't ignoring you, I didn't see your question.

If it were my daughter or any family member I would not want them to suffer remorse and guilt as well as the burden of the disability in the future.
To be responsible for somebody else's life or disability is a huge responsibility I would not want them to carry.

[modeller]

Mike // a very long period of incarceration // . How long and under what conditions ?
Our prisons have hotel like facilities . The only punishment is loss of liberty . Do you call that ////fitting or appropriate and deserved; used especially of punishment; // ?

In reality there isn't a condign punishment for such a brutal crime . The nearest thing in the western world would be the death penalty but that also is no longer an option.
tara's idea has some merit, especially if it was coupled with solitary confinement ,
but that would violate his human rights .