tilly, sometimes our children change into people we find diffucult to understand, even to like. When they become adults and leave home, what they make of themselves is out of our hands. They can change into people we barely recognise as the children we put so much effort and love into. My youngest son is far worse than yours and after many years of putting up with atrocious behaviour from him, I finally refused to let him into our house until he could behave in a civilised, friendly manner again. He sees himself as a hard man and was abusive and agressive towards me, which I must admit frightened me into asking the police for advice. They recommended I not let him into my house anymore. I haven't seen him for 2 years now! It breaks my heart, but at the same time, my life has finally calmed down and I do not miss the man he has become. I miss the child and young man who had the potential and the upbringing to be a loving, caring, strong man. Yes, I know I did spoil him and his sister by always being there to help in every way whenever they asked, incl. lending them money when I could not afford to. But they conveniently forget that now ... To them, you do things their way or they don't want to know you!! It is so sad, but I now agree with those who say you have to be cruel to be kind. I wish I had some done things differently! So, don't beat yourself up, but don't give in to your son anymore either!!! Be strong!!