Suna's question below

[dotty.]

To confirm they have the right link from mabel wilson to jack wilson, (and bearing in mind that suna says this is a 'travelling ' family), can someone please look at the 1911 for the Sunderland area for a Jack and Elizbeth wilson with a daughter Mabel born around 1901 and a younger daughter Grace Ann born 1903 ? Jack was born 1877 we think in sunderland. TIA.

[Rose Maybud]

I have tried all sorts of things and nothing has popped up. Any ideas?

[Rose Maybud]

OK, found Jack and Elizabeth, I think, with George and Frances. But where are Mabel & Grace??

1911 Census 124 Sunderland Street Houghton-Le-Spring

WILSON, George Head Married M 55 1856 Carter For Lime And Sand And Merchant Sunderland Co Durham
WILSON, Frances Wife Married 36 years F 51 1860 Sunderland Co Durham
WILSON, Jack Son Single M 35 1876 Labourer Sunderland Co Durham
WILSON, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 27 1884 Sunderland Co Durham
WILSON, George Son Single M 19 1892 Labourer Coalmine Houghton Le Spring Co Durham
WILSON, William Son Single M 17 1894 Labourer Coalmine Houghton Le Spring Co Durham
WILSON, Thomas Nephew M 6 1905 School Band Head Co Durham
WILSON, Dora Niece F 1 1910 Lumey Co Durham

[dotty.]

Rose I think possibly there is a Grace born 1903 and a mabel born 1901ish somewhere on the 1911 but they may not have Elizabeth as their mother, this is not a simple one at all, maybe they were a reavelling family at some point, the George and Frances certainly weren't though.

[craft1948]

I've spent 2 hours looking but can't find a thing.........

[Rose Maybud]

Do we know for sure that Grace Ann was born a Wilson? Or could she have had another surname in 1911, which became Wilson (officially or otherwise) before she married ?

[Rose Maybud]

I have made a list of all the Grace Anns born in Yorkshire in the Jun quarter and the September quarter (in case the birth wsn't registered in June), following the earlier post where it says she was born in Richmond. Checked 1911 for the list - no Grace had a sister Mabel of the right age.

There was even a birth in Sep 1903 Tadcaster for a Grace Annie Unknown.

Do we know where Mabel was born?

[suna]

On her death certificate its say when and were born: 11 June 1903 Richmond north Yorkshire. there is no evidence on that entry in Richmond i think the informant may have something wrong

[suna]

Her name is Grace Ann Wilson

[dotty.]

she should still appear on the 1911 though, even the gypsy families were recorded.

[suna]

My uncle has told me he believe grace Ann Wilson and mabel's wilson's mother is marry longthorne but not 100% sure

[suna]

My uncle believe grace Wilson was born in Catterick Camp in richmond NY. And Jack Wilson was a horse dealer.

[alexanderd]

Dotty, if you want info about Houghton le spring births and deaths go to Houghton Heritage site. The guy who runs it, Paul Langan is excellent at finding info and is based up here so has access to all sorts of info. Good luck

[alexanderd]

Sorry for butting in Dotty didnt realize you were trying to help someone else. Should have read the post properly

[dotty.]

hey no problem alexander it;s all good info.
I can't find where I originally found that Grace and Mabel's mother ws elizabeth armstrong now

[alexanderd]

I live a couple of miles outside houghton and know Paul well he is very helpful, publishes a newsletter every couple of months and holds old photo exhibitions

[suna]

dotty. neath er can i find that record now but i did have it about two month ago but discarded it i was unsure

[suna]

if you do find it plz send me the link