church architecture...

[magicbeatle]

What is the name of the part in a church where the priest throws away the communion wine? (on the side wall behind the alter)

[banddrad]

More  gen,  please..................Many  denominations  insist  the  wine  be  respectfully  finished  of  by  the   priest................

[Octavius]

Unused consecrated (ceremonially set apart) communion wine used in the sacrament of eucharist or communion is traditionally to be drunk by the presiding minister.

When this bread and wine are consecrated in the Eucharist, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the body and blood of Christ. The empirical appearances are not changed, but the reality is. What was bread is no longer bread, but the body of Christ. What was wine is no longer wine, but the blood of Christ. Accordingly, what is now the body and blood of Christ is treated with utmost respect and, since Christ is divine, is given that special veneration reserved for God that is known as adoration. In Catholic churches, the tabernacle in which it is kept, essentially so that it can be given to the sick and dying, is the spot where people go especially for prayer to Christ.

[Peter Pedant]

piscina definitely

RC priests have to drink it all - but since piscinae are in pre reformation churches presumably this is a post council of trent 1545 thing

[zmudge]

Near the high altar in the south wall of the chancel can frequently be found three stone seats with canopies divided from each other by piers - sedilia. Eastward of the sedilia, in the same wall, is a small ornamented niche containing a hollow perforated basin of stone - piscina or lavacrum. In the piscina the priest washed his hands which in the old days he did many times during a service, and the consecrated elements were also and still are poured into the piscina. The piscina seems to have become common in churches from the thirteenth century, and in churches after this date they can be found not only in the chancel but in the south walls at the east end of the north and south aisles. Sometimes the piscina is double and contains two basins and drains. Occasionally there is a stone shelf above to support a locker - ambrie. Here is a picture of a piscina.

[zmudge]

PS. Since posting the above, whilst later browsing through my bits and pieces I came across a picture of a sedilia and also another piscina with the stone shelf above for the ambrie, which I thought may be of interest.

[magicbeatle]

To both 'In A Pickle', and 'Peter Pedant', thank you for reminding me of the names Piscina and Sedilia. Cheers! 

[silly moo]

I always thought that only RC's believed in transubstantiation.
As an anglican the bread and wine is only a representation of the body and blood.

[zmudge]

I am ignored, spurned and cast out !!!

[Peter Pedant]

no Silly moo or should that be yes ?

Everything or every thing has two parts, accidence and substance. accidence is what it looks like - communion bread always looks like bread, and substance, what it is. The priests words convert the substance of bread into the body of Christ. Transubstantiation. Confirmed by Council of Trent only five hundred years ago, 1550s. Raymond of Penafort was big in this and the miracle of polenta may have played a part. Communion bread allows the growth of Serratia marcescens which looks like blood.

Now proddy dogs - I went to a protestant university. I bet you didnt know that universities in this country UK can be denominational. The Dean of College assured me they can and that was why he was dean of the college. They believe in consubstatiation. Accidence remains bread but now the substance of bread and body co-exist as a result of the words of consecration. AS he commented - so close one wonders why anyone argued so long about it.

 

However when I was reading a book on how to be a Copt. Shoudl I ever want to be. I was surprised that their doctrine is virtually RC including transubstantiation except that the Bishop of Rome is head of the church. They are part of the uniate churches whose difference are too bloody........and they are also excused the word filioque  (and from the Son) in the Nicene creed. But the copts believe in transubstantiation too.

[darcydark]

The bread and wine are not physically turned into the body and blood of Christ, we eat the bread and drink the wine in remembrance of him.