Why are Union people so stupid?

[Kayless]

http://news.sky.com/h...tics/article/16102394
The Goverenment has made a more than generous offer, do they really think this folly will change anything?

[237SJ]

So if you get a low salary, you deserve a good pension to make up for it.
Tell that to the people cleaning the loos at Waterloo Station or the shelf-stackers at Tesco.

[tonywiltshire]

Someone has to pay these pensions and that will be the tax payers.

[sophie_1003]

I think when people say low salary they are generally comparing it to the benefits people doing the same jobs in the private sector receive.

[Old_Geezer]

You deserve to have the agreement made at the time of accepting the job honoured, regardless what was agreed as wage, what as salary and what not. Seems to me some folk like to get the work done, but then wish to renege on the overall employment package offered and accepted.

[Old_Geezer]

I hate this lack of edit facility.

"regardless what was agreed as wage, what as pension and what not."

If you want a task done you have to pay for it, not moan about what it is costing. If you need to moan about something moan about services you have paid for and which were affordable in the past being taken away from you because the present lot are not competent enough to supply it on the money they take from you.

[flip_flop]

Sophie - your post at 17.12.

Eh?

Are you suggesting there would be no teachers if we didn't pay for their pensions?

I don't buy that.

[sophie_1003]

No; what I mean is that if the public don't pay for public services in the many ways that they do (pensions included) the alternative would be to pay for private companies to provide the same services.

[barney15c]

what people fail to remember is that the previous brown government scrapped tax relief on pensions, along with the asset stripping of greedy corporations who were allowed to raid pension funds as they were part of a companys assets. These two reasons along with others made sure private sector pension were going to dramatically reduce them, add in the financial crisis and the writing was on the wall. The government are able to deflect the blame of the public sector pension dispute onto the 'greedy' workers and set them against an angry private sector while conveniently avoiding the uncomfortable truth that this was of politicians own making.