Deplorable but not deportable it seems.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co...ylum-seekers-can-stay

When will this country be able rule itself, without interference from others?

When it gets the hell out of Europe.

[Gromit]

ECJ said "an asylum seeker may not be transferred to a member state where he risks being subjected to inhuman treatment". The ruling is basically that the holding centres in Greece are inhuman. If they are as bad as they say they are, then we should not return people there.

Strange that the ECJ is not compelling Greece to get its house in order.

[anotheoldgit]

Well since they have to go through many countries before they get to the UK, why couldn't we send them back to one of those?

[jake-the-peg]

Actually the ruling allows us to exactly rule ourselves!

It means that we can hear their cases here rather than send them back to Greece for them to be heard there

But the Express will take any excuse for an anti-EU story

Take the recent goverment action over stopping credit card companies overcharging - all big on the News

Well Done Mr Cameron eh?

Well actually he's just gettin in a bit ahead of an EU action scheduled for 2014

You didn't think this government would side with the consumer over business interests without the EU pushing it to do so did you?

Pretty much the same story with any consumer legislation - mostly the EU standing up for the consumer

Which is why all the big media magnates are so keen to bad mouth them

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

Blimey another newspaper that doesn't fit your criteria?

/// It means that we can hear their cases here rather than send them back to Greece for them to be heard there ///

You are missing the point, yes we can use taxpayers money to hear their cases over here, but when we decide they can't stop here, 'Europe' will overrule our decision to send them back from whence they came.

But this is all immaterial really, they shouldn't be here in the first place.

[rojash]

"but when we decide they can't stop here, 'Europe' will overrule our decision to send them back from whence they came. "

No it won't. If they are asylum seekers and are not granted asylum, they will be deported back to their own countries.

You are confusing deporting them to Greece (which is not their own country) to seek asylum, with deporting them home after their cases have been heard.

This is of course exactly the kind of confusion that Express is aiming for.

[New Judge]

Not quite so, rojash.

I don’t believe the Express (nor indeed the Telegraph nor even the BBC, who also ran the story) is confusing the issue at all. It is perfectly straightforward. AOG hasn’t got it quite correct, but the effect is the same. The 1951 Convention on Refugees requires refugees to seek asylum in the first “designated safe” country they enter. In making this ruling the ECJ has declared Greece a “non-safe” country. Were it safe the UK would be perfectly entitled to refuse to hear the asylum claims of people who had arrived here via Greece. They could have been returned to Greece forthwith. Now their claims must be heard here, and if unsuccessful they must be returned to their own country (a task that often proves impossible because most of them arrive “sans papiers”).

The ECJ (or more properly the EU) should be making urgent enquiries as to why Greece’s asylum arrangements do not comply with European standards. Still, with Croatia just joined up to the club, I imagine their efforts will be more urgently needed elsewhere.

[rov1100]

When the EU is run by liberal lefties there is no hope of overturning an EU decision. We also have a traitor like Clegg who is more worried about foreigners that our own people. The case for leaving the EU is growing by the day.

[anotheoldgit]

Couldn't agree more with rov and fender,.

Their referral to Clegg, made me think of a nightmare scenario, The present coalition fails, only to be replaced by another coalition party consisting of Labour & The Lib/Dems.

We would be swamped with migrants then.

[rojash]

Not sure if I didn't make myself clear, or if you misread my answer NJ.

I didn't say that the Express was confusing the issue, I said that AOG was confused, "which is exactly the kind of confusion that the Express is aiming for".