referencing problem (for uni abers)!!

[ilovemarkb]

As follows are emails too and from student and tutor!

Dear tutor
Thankyou for my constructive feedback for my reflection assignment, this will help me for future assignments. The only thing I was unsure of was…………
“When referencing online journals they should initially be written as a normal journal reference”
Please could you help me understand what you mean?
Thankyou student
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Dear student,
Well done and thank you for your feedback. With regard to your referencing on line journals you need to write the journal out in full i.e. Blogs,J (2012) Writing Reflection on Skills Clusters, Nursing Standard, 12(13)33-34 http//………

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Dear Tutor!
Thanyou,I understand ! This wasn,t pulled up in previous assignments but thanks anyway.
from student
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Dear Tutor,
Sorry to be a pain, but just so i get referencing correct on my next assignments.....the example shown on the school of health referencing guide says.......for reference list..........e.g

Thompson,J.L. (1968) Competency and measured performance outcomes, Journal of workplace learning, 10 (5), 210-231

is this incorrect because it doesn’t have the web address? I was told by previous tutors to treat it as if its a normal journal (as if its been bought). thankyou from student
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Dear student,
Yes, that is correct but just either write the name of the journal in either italics or bold.
From tutor



question is do i or dont I put website on reference list for an online journal? confused.com

[Canary42]

I studied with the OU some years ago and it really pi55ed me off the way different tutors contradicted each others specifications for references - it seems the academic world love navel-gazing on this topic.

I would include the URL to be safe - you can't be penalised for it surely ?

[rowanwitch]

available at URL:www. etc

[rowanwitch]

Or get a copy of 'cite it right' seen as a pretty safe guide

[sophie_1003]

I just pretended I'd read the proper journal and never even mentioned it was online! Danger there of course is that the journal is no longer availale in print and they will think you've just made it up!

[Mosaic]

My experience was, no matter how you reference books, journals or websites, it's wrong.

[lcg]

to your original question - no. you don't need to put web references to journal articles as you can probably get them from your uni library anyway. however, you will probably need harvard referencing system at the very least. i have studied at BSc level and now MSc level; and throughout my studies at a russel group/red brick university (i.e. quite a good one!) and the following example is what is deemed essential presentation:

Thompson, J (1968) Competency and measured performance outcomes. Journal of workplace learning (10) 5 pp210-31.

1. only the first initial of an author is needed
2. pay attention to where full stops are (and are not) and are not needed - too many look messy and unprofessional. if it doesn't need to be in there, don't put it in!
3. journal title should be in italics - but for the life of me i cannot do it on ab!
4. first journal number is in brackets; second is not
5. page numbers are either set as pp210-31 (minimum of characters required) or, for example pp296-304.
6. if you get a journal online, you do not need the web address, but if you get a more official document, such as an nhs policy or act of government, you will need to put the web reference in; i.e.

Thompson, J (1968) Competency and measured performance outcomes. Journal of workplace learning (10) 5 pp210-31 [Online] Accessed: 15.02.12
www.whateverisintheadressbarofthedocument.com



(the web address needs to be underlined and i usually place them in blue text to highlight as a link if possible)

books are slightly different, i.e.

Gerritsen, T (2011) Bloodstream (4th Edition) London: Harper Collins.

1. Title of the book will be in italics
2. You have to check when the book was first published and what edition you have - this one was first published in 1998, but i have a newer version
3. again, keep things clean with no full stops/commas where brackets break up the reference and only at the end of a reference if necessary


hope this helps - i find it is a very tidy and easy way to read references. commas, full stops and initials all over the place look very untidy and unprofessional. you need to give it a clean, minimal approach and you will not be picked over if they can be checked and explored easily by those marking your work. if you require any other help with different forms of referencing, give me a shout and i will subscribe to your thread. good luck! x

[bednobs]

you need to do it how your uni wants you to do it - nothing else matters. Dont they do a reeferencing guide? I'd be surprised if they don't

[lcg]

most do use harvard...mine is a little improvement on it to make it look uniform and waaaaaay less untidy. i'm a bit of a neat freak. but you should check what they want you to do and make it as neat as possible and uniform throughout. that's how i ended up doing mine - and given the dozens of essays/dissertations i have handed in - i have never been penalised by my approach. i do despair when i read other people's referencing and each one is different and all over the place - it looks so untidy. it needs to be the same throughout, whichever approach they want you to use. see if you can find out and i will happily suggest an ocd/neat approach to make them happy.

[lcg]

i do have an issue with commas and full stops being randomly placed all over the shop (if you hadn't guessed - i think my approach is closer to the basic approaches of grammar and punctuation. imho, of course. but....it does look neat, yes? x

[DTCwordfan]

Agree,

References:

lcg, Unknown (2011) Competency and measured references for references. Journal of AB learning (1) 5 pp. 1-2
[Online] Accessed: 15.02.12 http://www.theanswerb...327.html#postananswer



lcg

[lcg]

here's an example of a reference excerpt from one of my nursing essays:

Morgan, S and Wetherell, A (2004) Chapter 8: Assessing and Managing Risk in: Ryrie, I and Norman, I (Editors) (2004) The Art and Science of Mental Health Nursing: A Textbook of Principles and Practice. Maidenhead: Open University Press.

National Institute of Clinical Excellence (NICE) (2002) Schizophrenia: Core interventions in the treatment and management of schizophrenia in primary and secondary care [Online] 17.12.05 London: NICE.
www.nice.org.uk/pdf/CG1NICEguideline.pdf

Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) (2004) The NMC code of professional conduct: standards for conduct, performance and ethics. London: NMC [Online] 29.12.05
www.nmc-uk.org/nmkxxp55fkzse3ityuzijvb/aFrame
Display.aspx?docID=606


Peplau, H (1952) Interpersonal Relations in Nursing. New York (NY): Putnam and Sons.

Phelan, M; Slade, M; Thornicroft, G; Dunn, G; Holloway, F; Wykes; Strathdee, G; Loftus, L; McCrone, P and Hayward, P (1995) The Camberwell Assessment of Need: the validity and reliability of an instrument to assess the needs of people with severe mental illness. British Journal of Psychiatry (167) pp589-595.

There's a bit of variety for you to look at....books, journal articles and policy papers with online addresses. Hope this helps, hon x

[ilovemarkb]

wow thanks for a massive response. Think i would be safe to check with my uni first though!!! thanks once again x

[boxtops]

As lcg says, I do it like this

Thompson, J (1968) Competency and measured performance outcomes. Journal of workplace learning (10) 5 pp210-31 [Online] Accessed: 15.02.12
www.whateverisintheadressbarofthedocument.com



but you really should check your student guide, or ask student support - since each Uni I've studied with has its own house style. Some use Harvard, some don't.