Has President Sarkozy got the right idea?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....oreigners-France.html

Well reading through President Sarkozy's ideas on France's immigration problems, would a British politician get support from those in this country that think we also have an immigration problem?

Or more to the point, would a British politician dare to say the same?

Forget the deliberate side step comments his wife has made, also equally forget his implied attacks on Muslims and Jews, these were only calls for better labelling of kosher and halal products and not a specific attack on Jews and Muslims.

[d9f1c7]

Well I don't often agree with le Grenouille Petit but in this case he is "Place sur"!

[bazwillrun]

Same here as in France , a phrase with words like horse bolts after and shutting and door spring to mind.

theres no politician with the balls to stand up for the country unfortunately, all too scared of their own shadows to say anything

[Zeuhl]

Seems sound.

Restrict oppressive religious practices eg veils, forced marriage etc

Of course we should also adopt France's sensible and related concept of Laicité formalized in the 1905 law which guarantees separation of church and state, that is, the separation of religion from political power.

So kick the Bishops out of The House of Lords and definitely no prayers in Council Chambers.

[jake-the-peg]

Sarkozy is up for re-election in the summer and he is currently way behind in the polls.

I think that should tell you what you need to know on this.

But the Kosher/Halal labelling issue is interesting

This was an EU initiative

Most halal meat is stunned - Kosher is not

The initiative was killed off by the Jewish lobby rather than the muslim one

[DTCwordfan]

Sans doute, sûrement, nous aurons "des rivières de sang."

[anotheoldgit]

/// Of course we should also adopt France's sensible and related concept of Laicité formalized in the 1905 law which guarantees separation of church and state, that is, the separation of religion from political power. ///

Yet another trip back into history, to scrub over the difficulties of today, especially when some tell me to stop harking back to the glory days of the 50s, when they themselves are prepared to go back even further to get their point over.

Please practice what you preach, even if you are not religious.

Also perhaps you haven't noticed that this thread is about immigration not religion.

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

/// Sarkozy is up for re-election in the summer and he is currently way behind in the polls. ///

/// I think that should tell you what you need to know on this. ///

Precisely, he has hit on a popular approach to France's immigration problem, and in doing so he is hoping it will attract the same popular support from the masses, so much that they will vote him back in power.

I only hope he isn't like our own politicians, who make pre-election promises and then conveniently fail to carry them out.

[Zeuhl]

I quoted CURRENT French law so it is contemporary not from 'the annuls'

The french attitude to immigration and integration is directly related to their concept of the French state and french culture. One of the core beliefs in that is that it is a secular state ie separated from religion

Hence the laws regarding wearing of the veil etc

A good idea IMO.

So .....

back to kicking the irrelevant and deluded parasites, the clergy out of our parliament

[anotheoldgit]

Zeuhl

/// back to kicking the irrelevant and deluded parasites, the clergy out of our parliament ///

If they upset you so much, I suggest you enter a thread on that particular subject yourself, perhaps in the section 'Society & Culture', sub-section, 'Religion'.

This then, will not clog up the 'News' section or divert ABers attention from the subject in question.

That being immigration, in case you are confused.

[Zeuhl]

I will take the thread in any direction I wish.

And as you are just another user of this site you will just have to lump it.

OK?

[DTCwordfan]

It's a far deeper question in France than here because of its old African colonies , from Tunisia and Algeria southwards, "le hommes du Sud."

Muslims in France make up nigh on 8% of the population now, (never mind the ghetto percentages), whereas in the UK it is less than 4.5%

Conclusion - not such as issue for our Government and I don't think DC will be losing that much sleep over this. Daily Wailing, so typical........

Interestingly other countries: Germany 5%, Netherlands 5.5%, Belgium %, Italy 2.6%, Spain 2.3 % (USA ,1%)

[DTCwordfan]

USA <1%

[DTCwordfan]

Belgium @ 6% so that is pushing upwards....Austria is approaching this level, but Cyprus takes the biscuit in the Common Market nearly 23%

[Zeuhl]

DT

don't mention religion

apparently it's not allowed on this thread

[DTCwordfan]

Freedom of Speech and all that, huh.....

[Zeuhl]

Yes exactly

<<this thread is about immigration not religion>> so there!

So stop mixing the two, Old Git is getting confused and tetchy apparently

[DTCwordfan]

It's the time of day........

[rov1100]

///we must divide by two the number of people that we welcome, that is to say to pass from 180,000 per year to 100,000.///

They get their priorities right, no talk about net migration as they do here which increases our numbers 4 fold compared with his intention. Some of our emigrants are highly skilled and how you can compare that with an Aghan from the slums beats me.

[DTCwordfan]

emigrants or immigrants? ^

[alperchino]

I think the mans bang on, as with this country isnt this a Christian country? I hate the fact we have people claiming benefits that are foreign whether they are muslim or Jewish, or in fact any other religion in this country,but this is a Christian country though has been for around 1300 years don't think it should change myself and I'm not old and moaning I'm 19 and surrounded by mosques that preach insanity about bombs, no offence to other muslims.in what my forefathers fought for as in the holy land..