Please explain.

[TWR]

Can the H.R brigade please inform me, what will the sentence be for those evil basdads that tied that elderly women up in kent, poured HOT WATER on her arms / hands, put her into a bath to try and get the code no for her household safe?

[sir.prize]

One would hardly buy Archer's book and put more money into the pocket of a criminal.

[jake-the-peg]

I'm reliably informed by Americans that such treatment isn't torture but is "enhanced interrogation".

It sounds as if it would be Wounding/causing grievous bodily harm with intent, contrary to section 18 Offences Against the Person Act 1861

Which carries 9-16 years for the most serious category which it sounds like it is.

If there was an early guilty plea there'd be a reduction

I'm guessing 12 years -but there are a lot of assumptions in there

[baza]

whilst the guidelines make it look good, we all know that the CPS look for the easiest charge to prove, should these scumbags be caught then taken to court the chances of a long prison term is pretty remote. The minister for justice ( joke) has made it so easy to avoid sending criminals to prison. Surely in this time of high unemployment more prisons should be built needing more warders not G4S. Of course we could bring back the birch as a cheaper alterative.

[EDDIE51]

Sir Prize 'Prison Diary' is in every public library , no need to buy . I got my copy from a charity shop for 50p , let me know your address and you can have it free. Archer was not a criminal as you will find if you read the book , a grave miscarriage of justice . I don't particualarly like the man but the charges against him were trumped up for political reasons.

[Barmaid]

Well impossible to comment on sentence because sentencing will take into account the offender's previous history.

Unless they were "tooled up" (I don't remember seeing that they went equipped) it is unlikely to be aggravated burglary - just normal burglary. Additional charges are likely to be GBH and false imprisonment. I would guess that for this sort of offence you are looking at an IPP - ie a indeterminate period of detention for public protection.

[sir.prize]

Thanks but no thanks Eddie. Archer doesn't appeal to me either.

[craft1948]

BM..............you're too sensible for this thread.

[Barmaid]

agreed, Craft. Must drink more wine.

[mccfluff]

someone said that about me last night :-)

[EcclesCake]

Chapta....I don't disagree with you. However in the greater scheme of things this lady could have suffered much more and many have done. She is fortunate insofar as being able to be discharged from hospital quite swiftly, it is indicative of her physical injuries but admittedly does not take account of her mental trauma.

Physically there is far worse she could have been subjected to, the mental torture is much harder to deal with whatever the ordeal.

The mental/emotional aspects of any assault will depend on the strength of the victim, this lady seems to show an admirable level of fortitude.

[DTCwordfan]

For the "hung drawn and quartered lynching" mob around here - do you really want to go back to this?

http://www.middle-age...awn-and-quartered.htm

[TWR]

Can you send me your address Eddie, I will send you a cheque for a meal, at least you grasp what I meant.

[bednobs]

and eddie seems to be the only one ... perhaps there is something abou the way you express yourself, rather than the way people read it?

[EDDIE51]

We are all appalled by such crimes but Human Rights don't really come into this case. This is a definite prison sentence if they are caught at least 5 years and it will be in a closed prison.
Much of the 'holiday camp' idea you talk about is in regard to Open prisons , violent offenders are not sent to them. When someone is sentenced to prison they all at first go to a closed prison for assessment. There are 4 categories A to D, a cat A prisoner is either extremely violent or considered to be a high risk of escape attempt, this is the highest level of security and can only be housed at one of the high security jails. Violent offenders are normally cat B and can get reduced to cat C for good behavior after several years. ' ordinary' prisoners are normally cat C from the start , still a closed prison but with more privileges , however poor behaviour will mean a transfer to a B cat . Open prisons are only for cat D prisoners the lowest security level , many of these are long term prisoners near the end of the sentence , the idea is to give them a more 'normal' life to prepare for release. Some cat D open prisoners are allowed to work outside the prison and earn money that is kept until release. There is still the threat that they can be returned to a closed prison if they do anything wrong.

[EDDIE51]

You may find this intresting
http://www.guardian.c...rison-no-holiday-camp