What is the answer, what will become of Greece?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....wastikas-streets.html

It is frightening that the dreaded face of Nazism is again rearing it's ugly head, and in an EU country.

So much for a united Europe, with it's dream of preventing further unrest between it's members.

What now, should Greece be thrown out of the EU?

[NOX]

Neo- Nazi parties always find a foothold when economic situations are bad. Everyone wants someone to blame and it's easy to blame immigrants who have a less clear idea of their rights and are less likely to be championed by the man in the street who feels he has little in common with them. Make no mistake, as in Germany in the 20's and 30's this swing towards Nazi politics is solely economic. Solve the economic situation and people's anger calms and they would rather be having a nice night out with their mates that smashing up some poor immigrants homes. Chucking them out of the EU is the very last thing that will help, we need to restore financial stability so that things normalise and people once again fade away into middle ground politically.

[bazwillrun]

"Chucking them out of the EU is the very last thing that will help,"

yep, lets keep them in so the eussr has more sheep to have total control over

[pdq1]

As Greece problems stem mostly from the Euro and we are not in it we have little say in their financial future. Personally I think they should leave the Euro.

[dave50]

i hope the far right do get into power in Greece, this will have a domino effect on neighbouring countries and hopefully eventually destroy the EU for good.

[Canary42]

Better to have them inside pizzing out, than outside pizzing in (Didn't someone famous say that ?)

[youngmafbog]

They need to get out of the Euro, but for them probably not the EU. Even that will not solve the problem now though. This is, in effect, just deserts for them milking the system to the hilt (paid for by The Germans and the UK - no one else has been a net payer).

It's easy to say immigrants are an easy target, but it is something that brews under the covers die to right on lefty liberal thinking. Once people are in a corner they dont care whether they will be prosecuted or not, what have they to loose, so they will start to voice their hidden feelings. Of course the liberal left are unable to comprehend this as they are so blinkered in their ideals and the thought that making a law changes peoples minds. It doesn't it just festers until something like this happens.

This is just the beginning, and it is very worrying.

[youngmafbog]

Dave, much as i wold like to see the back of the EU I am not sure I would like to see a return to 1940 Europe.

I can almost hear the Panzers starting up as I write. No good and certainly not funny.

The UK should get out now though, before it all goes bang.

[LazyGun]

Well, broadly speaking, the idea of closer co-operation and economic ties through the formation of a european community has resulted in damping down the unrest within europe, probably the bloodiest continent there is.

When people are scared, when people are struggling to find jobs, to retain a roof over their heads, then fringe politics gains a foothold - extreme left or extreme right, and the solutions offered from both ends of the spectrum are often surprisingly similar. In times of flux, frightened people seek a bedrock of certainty, and extremist parties offer that simplicity.

Personally, I think the the EU would be better off without Greece in it, and the Greeks would probably be better off outside the restrictions of the euro, but for ordinary greeks this must be a horrible time to be living through.

I think there are some very good social and market arguments supporting the notion of an EU, a community of nation states with a single marketplace, but attempting to impose a single currency, a logical extension of the idea of a single, united marketplace, was in hindsight always going to be problematic without political and economic union - and that is almost impossible to achieve.

What all european community taxpayers have been left with is the prospect of attempting to prop up the whole fiscal unity project with taxpayers money, and right now it would seem we are loaning billions of euros to these troubled economies merely to service bank debt and therefore bankers bonuses.

[youngmafbog]

Ah good old Bankers bonuses, change the record please.

Greece has far greater problems then Bankers, the whole nation was corrupt, retiring at 50 on 95% of final salary, not paying any tax etc etc. That is where the problem lies, not their Bankers.

[LazyGun]

@youngmaf

Thats not the point I was making. The point I was trying to make was that the only people that really benefit from Greece trying to remain in the Euro are the banks and bankers, since these billion euro loans, provided by EU taxpayers, are simply paying off loans with interest.

EU taxpayers are having to prop up the euro, throwing good money after bad, and only the banks benefit.

[anotheoldgit]

And who is waiting in the wings to join?

'TURKEY'

That should put the cat amongst the pigeons.

[emmie]

Greece should drop out of the Euro, and not be part of the EU. however many of it's people want to stay in and keep the currency. Perhaps some believe the Greeks have done very well out of the EU, but a number of my Greek friends have said it was not the right thing to do. And by the way it's Germany who have done very well out of the Greeks, now perhaps for some it's payback time. These groups flourish in times of economic hardships, and the austerity measures are creating a very unstable society.

[Brenden]

Turkey should never be allowed to join the EU they are an asian country - only one minute tip of the country borders europe.

[emmie]

Brenden, i totally agree, but there are lots of people who wish for them to join, personally i think this whole EU is way out of hand.

[emmie]

Brenden
think what AOG might make of this make up

http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/Religion/