Are We Now Getting Nearer The Truth?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9839719/Man-found-guilty-of-supplying-Mark-Duggan-with-handgun-minutes-before-Tottenham-shooting.html

[Mojo-Jo-Jo]

Why do our police fire at will anyway? Does anyone stand a chance against an armed unit that starts firing? It's the death penalty without the justice system as far as I can see.
Shouldn't there be some structure instead of four officers emptying their guns into somebody before they've even been arrested?

[Gromit]

Ypu can see the police recovering the gun from quite a distance from the cab here in eyewitness footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF5f1xfGTFM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Orderlimit]

I would expect the firearm to be several metres away Gromit if the person had been shot in the chest, it certainly can not be discounted can it?. The fact the firearm was in sock would account for negative DNA / FPs??

[FredPuli43]

Well, Mo-jo-jo, strictly speaking they don't always fire at will, but there's a grave risk for anyone who carries a gun in a public place that they will get shot dead and the police will be quite imaginative in describing the incident.

For example, we've had examples of the police being tipped off about a gang of proper professional villains about to hold up a security van or the like. They've shot one or two dead when it is as plain as a pike-staff to anyone who knows such villains, as the police themselves must do, that the men are not going to shoot at police in a million years. Indeed,they are never going to shoot anyone; they rely on fear, not reality. Not that these facts are going to weigh much with the public !

[Gromit]

He was shot in the leg and chest. Witnesses have said he was running away from the police marksman when he was shot. That would suggest he was hit first in the leg from behind, and the second shot, the fatal one, as he stood or on the ground wounded. It does not suggest a face to face confrontation with Duggan weilding a gun at the officers.

According to the taxi driver at the first trial, Mark Duggan left the car and ran:

// The [Police] car had stopped – men got out of it very quickly who were carrying guns in their hands. Then I heard the sound of my rear door opening. I saw that Mark Duggan got out and ran. At the same time, I heard firing from the front. I saw shots strike Mark Duggan. He fell to the ground. //

[Orderlimit]

We will have to see what any expert witnesses in the trial have said. Being shot is not like something that happens in an American film I would suggest. Sure will will find out in due course though.

[Orderlimit]

And it can not be discounted that this useless dangerous wannabe gangster thug threw the firearm when shot in the leg or reaction when hit in the chest, either way round.

[Orderlimit]

Prof Jonathan Clasper, an expert in bioengineering and a former army colonel from Imperial College London, said an involuntary movement by Duggan, occurring after he was shot, would not explain why the gun was found 10-14ft (3-4 metres) away from where he fell.

[Orderlimit]

Another expert witness, Dr Simon Poole, said the two bullet wounds Duggan sustained raised questions about the position he was in when shot, and may not be consistent with the police account that he was facing officers.

[FredPuli43]

Gromit, according to the account in the link, the gun did have Duggan's fingerprints on it. As the man convicted had supplied it to him, that's hardly surprising but doesn't advance the case for shooting him.

[Mojo-Jo-Jo]

Jean Charles was shot once in the shoulder and seven, yes seven times in the head at close range.
That's going to smart at the very least.

[Mojo-Jo-Jo]

*Jean Charles De Menezes

[Peter Pedant]

Hi Puli - I dont think Waldorf's claim eva got to court, altho I think he got 250k - big money in the early eighties. It was said at the time the Person of Interest was a certain David Martin I think who got thro a police cordon by dressing in drag. SW was picked up by a certain young lady actually David Martin's girlfriend and My! didnt the two men look alike! people said afterwards. Yes if you google DM it is all there. (250k was really 150k still big moolah)


Baldric if you were a Marine doesnt it mean you were in the Falklands - where the enlisted men (called grunts in the Vietnam War) called themselves Baldric and the officers, 'Ruperts'. I am so old and the modern generation so young that no one has a memory of this.

and OK this thread is are we getting near the truth

No Old Git, whatever makes you think we are near the truth let alone..... nearer ? [ a very Hume comment I am sure people will agree

[anotheoldgit]

It is amazing how most are always ready to side with the criminal and blame the police.

The police have a very hard and thankless job to do, and I would love to see their critics do the job that they are expected to do each and every day and night.

Perhaps most would wish the service to be discontinued
altogether, thus letting the criminal element take over our streets,
that is until they themselves became victims of these thugs, and then the cry would go out, "where are the police when you need them"?

[RATTER15]

If I was an armed Policeman and was facing a guy knowingly in possession of a weapon and likely to use it, I would shoot first and ask questions later, its a risk you take when you are going out illegally armed with a loaded firearm.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271564/Mark-Duggan-Posing-killer-gangster-family-man-death-led-riots.html

[Peter Pedant]

This photo is a spoiler isnt it? - that is the photo has been around for some time but only today just a coincidence does it find its way into the Media

Just like the unaccountable leak of the written report in the media of the Chief Whip swearing at the Gelz in blue - and just as unaccountably there never was the leaked video on the internet.

strange but true