twin killers

[derekblue]

Ive just seen on the news that two men beat and strangled thier grandmother for �900.They have been found guilty of manslaughter!!!!!

So what will the sentance be?10 years?But then they did say they didnt mean to kill her,so i suppose in the eyes of the law thats ok then.Madness.

[undercovers]

why madness if they did not possess the mental element (in this case intention) necessary for a conviction of murder they have correctly been convicted of manslaughter - this is (generally) what seperates the crimes of murder and manslaughter. Manslaughter does not carry a mandatory life sentance as Murder does, but the judge is free to sentance these people to life in prison if he feel it necessary.

[don1]

Murder and rape have never been taken seriously in this country derekblue, we have the the most incompetant morons in the world making our laws, people who are so stupid they shouldn't be allowed to direct traffic.

Welcome to Britain.

[undercovers]

i think thats more than a tad unfair - the law is not perfect but it is better than the alternatives... i think we have the best legal system in the world at present... and i'm ready to justify it if you can point out one you think is better.

Plus this killing sounds like its been taken seriously - the word murder is just a word after all and manslaughter can carry a life sentence and is a very serious crime!

[undercovers]

though i admit that the crime of rape has been generally poorly managed / developed - and there is still quite a long way to go but reform is taking place and attitudes are (thank god) changing - though this is off point somewhat

[CT]

It was the twins' chum that killed the grandmother. They were there to rob the place.

[derekblue]

ct.they were all cleared of murder.So when the twins watched thier mate kill their grandmother they wernt part of it and didnt mean it? I cant wait to see the sentence.I predict maybe 10 years for the killer and 7 or so for the twins.

[cherrybomb]

Looking at their mug shot's on the news tonight. I think they should be locked up and the key thrown away.

They are three of the most dodgy fu****'s I have ever seen.

And instead of spending the money on three donner kebab's (with extra chilli sauce) they would have been wiser to have popped into the local vision express, prior to their photo shoot for national tv.

[flip-flop]

I'm just surprised we haven't had calls from the hand wringers on this site to provide them with empathy and to try to understand why they did it, and perhaps arrange for them to work in an old people's home as opposed to prison in order to have some validation (not to punish them, you understand, as that conjures negative images, and we can't have that now, can we).

Etc...

[brachiopod]

And just who are these 'hand wringers on this site'? Don't think I've ever seen any post on here.
There are plenty of those who believe it is the role of the judiciary to carry out the rule of law, and are against the 'let's string 'em up' mentality of mob rule, but I suppose that's the same thing in your eyes?

[Quizmonkey]

Brachiopod, I love you! I'm not even bothering wasting my energy with these 'string em up' Daily Mail readers - who just trot out hackneyed ill-conceived kneejerkisms and won't listen to reason - but your words crystallised the situation beautifully.

[flip-flop]

To clarify;

1. Am vehemently against the death penalty.


2. I don't agree with torture.


3. I hate the 'pack' mentality.


4. I have never read the Daily Mail in my life.

However, I am concerned about the 'soft' sentencing we occassionally see in this country. Following on from an earlier question (concerning the rape of a child) if somebody is this inherently evil to commit this most heinous of crime, why can't we lock them up and throw away the key as opposed to, as the liberal 'elite' would rather, try and rehabilitate them - these people do not warrant our help.

And if anybody comes out with that old chestnut that 'this makes us as bad as them' - just about the most feeble argument I think I have ever heard - I think I'm going to scream.

I like to think of myself as small 'c' conservative.

[derekblue]

Thanks to everyone for their response.

Flip flop,im with you.

[undercovers]

Flip-Flop you are always talking but never say anything

[flip-flop]

Fair enough - from now on, I'll just simply agree with whatever you post..................................................

[joko]

Perfect logic cherry bomb - "they look a bit dodgy in their mugshots so they must be guilty!"

Brilliant! You should be a detective with your powers of deduction. God help any one who takes a bad mug shot, eh? (i.e most people!) And what has their eyesight go to do with it?

However, I do think these guys are scum and deserve full sentences, not because of their faces but because they actually did commit this crime and don't appear to care

for them to claim they didn't intend to kill her is laughable - did they think they could just beat their own nan up, steal from her and that she would say nothing and forgive them? in order for them to get away with this crime they had to kill her - clearly very stupid, uneducated cretins.