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School Children in Japan top of the best behaved list.
Hardly suprising is it? Japan is a society consisting of indiginous Japanese people from top level to bottom. So there is absolutely no mixing and muddling of traditions, morals, ethical codes, no confusion, no division and no nanny state..
If ever there was a picture of how multi-cultural societies simply cannot work as efficiently as a single cultural society, this is it.
If ever there was a picture of how multi-cultural societies simply cannot work as efficiently as a single cultural society, this is it.
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Dave50 - you really cannot compare Japanese and Western nations and cultures in this way - it's like comparing an apple and a banana - both fruits but ...
Plenty of other countries educate their children very differently from the UK - often resulting in far superior results, and ongoing cultural growth and development as a result.
My wife has just returned from a month inspecting primary schools in Abu Dhabi. There, children are taught maths and IT from the age of four - in English - there is simply no parallel with the UK with a head-start like that for a generation.
To simply say that multi-cultural societies do not work is a vast over-simplification.
Remember, centuries before the UK media started scare-mongering with rumours of an Islamist 'take-over', we have always accepted and encouraged immigration, that is what makes our nation the rich and varied cosmopolitan society it is today.
I for one would not swap that for the uniformity of Japan - and I doubt you would either.
Plenty of other countries educate their children very differently from the UK - often resulting in far superior results, and ongoing cultural growth and development as a result.
My wife has just returned from a month inspecting primary schools in Abu Dhabi. There, children are taught maths and IT from the age of four - in English - there is simply no parallel with the UK with a head-start like that for a generation.
To simply say that multi-cultural societies do not work is a vast over-simplification.
Remember, centuries before the UK media started scare-mongering with rumours of an Islamist 'take-over', we have always accepted and encouraged immigration, that is what makes our nation the rich and varied cosmopolitan society it is today.
I for one would not swap that for the uniformity of Japan - and I doubt you would either.
One thing you forgot to mention from this report...
// Pupils in the UK were better behaved than the international average. //
But that that doesn't fit with your agenda that everything is bad because of immigration.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13508807
// Pupils in the UK were better behaved than the international average. //
But that that doesn't fit with your agenda that everything is bad because of immigration.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13508807
From Wikipedia:
// Immigration
Since the Japanese population census asks the people's nationality rather than their ethnic background, naturalized Japanese citizens and Japanese nationals with multi-ethnic background are considered to be ethnically Japanese in the population census of Japan. Thus, in spite of the widespread belief that Japan is ethnically homogeneous, it is probably more accurate to describe it as a multiethnic society.
According to the Japanese immigration centre, the number of foreign residents in Japan has steadily increased, and the number of foreign residents (excluding illegal immigrants and short-term visitors such as foreign nationals staying less than 90 days in Japan[9]) were more than 2.2 million people in 2008.
Among the immigrants, Japan accepts a steady flow of 15,000 new Japanese citizens by naturalization (帰化) per year.[10] Indeed, the concept of the ethnic groups by the Japanese statistics is different from the ethnicity census of North American or some Western European statistics. For example, the United Kingdom Census asks ethnic or racial background which composites the population of the United Kingdom, regardless of their nationalities.[11] The Japanese Statistics Bureau, however, does not have this question yet.
In the 1990s and early 2000s, Japanese diplomats signed agreements with South Asian officials to obtain an estimated 50,000 temporary "guest workers" to work in Japan. Similar guest-worker agreements with Latin American countries, such as Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Mexico and Peru have brought another 20,000 foreigners to Japan, including Latin Americans of Japanese descent who might culturally assimilate into the Japanese population. //
// Immigration
Since the Japanese population census asks the people's nationality rather than their ethnic background, naturalized Japanese citizens and Japanese nationals with multi-ethnic background are considered to be ethnically Japanese in the population census of Japan. Thus, in spite of the widespread belief that Japan is ethnically homogeneous, it is probably more accurate to describe it as a multiethnic society.
According to the Japanese immigration centre, the number of foreign residents in Japan has steadily increased, and the number of foreign residents (excluding illegal immigrants and short-term visitors such as foreign nationals staying less than 90 days in Japan[9]) were more than 2.2 million people in 2008.
Among the immigrants, Japan accepts a steady flow of 15,000 new Japanese citizens by naturalization (帰化) per year.[10] Indeed, the concept of the ethnic groups by the Japanese statistics is different from the ethnicity census of North American or some Western European statistics. For example, the United Kingdom Census asks ethnic or racial background which composites the population of the United Kingdom, regardless of their nationalities.[11] The Japanese Statistics Bureau, however, does not have this question yet.
In the 1990s and early 2000s, Japanese diplomats signed agreements with South Asian officials to obtain an estimated 50,000 temporary "guest workers" to work in Japan. Similar guest-worker agreements with Latin American countries, such as Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Mexico and Peru have brought another 20,000 foreigners to Japan, including Latin Americans of Japanese descent who might culturally assimilate into the Japanese population. //
It is amazing that some can post on a subject such as this, and yet is not branded a racist as I would have been, if I had posted an exact copy of this.
But having said that, I totally agree with dave50 on this, he has made a fair comparison between a multi-cultural society and and a mainly indigenous populated country.
It has nothing to do with educational achievements, but with disciplinary achievements, although behaviour can be down to the mix of traditions, morals and ethical codes, the way some children are brought up by their parents and multi-sex classrooms are also a main contribution for the lack of discipline in our seats of learning.
But having said that, I totally agree with dave50 on this, he has made a fair comparison between a multi-cultural society and and a mainly indigenous populated country.
It has nothing to do with educational achievements, but with disciplinary achievements, although behaviour can be down to the mix of traditions, morals and ethical codes, the way some children are brought up by their parents and multi-sex classrooms are also a main contribution for the lack of discipline in our seats of learning.
AOG's just being racist again!! ;) just kidding!!!
He made a valid point though, I've a feeling mixed sex classes would have a higher influence on unruliness of pupils than multi-culturalism in the class room, but that's an assumption.
The fact is, until a comprehensive study is completed on causes of behaviour in classes, you can't just claim that one thing is the differentiating factor.
He made a valid point though, I've a feeling mixed sex classes would have a higher influence on unruliness of pupils than multi-culturalism in the class room, but that's an assumption.
The fact is, until a comprehensive study is completed on causes of behaviour in classes, you can't just claim that one thing is the differentiating factor.
Immigration does have alot to answer for on Eduction though Gromit, doesn't it ? As pointed out in AbuDhabi they learn in English but here we have to put up with immigrants who wont learn our language and we bend over backwards to accomadate so draggin down those (including immigrants) who do.
Japan also does not let in undesirables, unlike here where every thieving g*t is allowed in to stay 'cos of his/her 'ooman rights.
Japan also does not let in undesirables, unlike here where every thieving g*t is allowed in to stay 'cos of his/her 'ooman rights.
Gromit has comprehensively destroyed the original, would-be-laughable-if-it-wasn't-so-racist premise ...
For further evidence, you only have to ask yourself who are the best-behaved kids in the British school system. It's also those from the Far East:
http://www.guardian.c...ildren-school-do-well
If all kids in the British school system behaved as well as the Chinese kids in the British school system, we'd come higher up the chart ...
For further evidence, you only have to ask yourself who are the best-behaved kids in the British school system. It's also those from the Far East:
http://www.guardian.c...ildren-school-do-well
If all kids in the British school system behaved as well as the Chinese kids in the British school system, we'd come higher up the chart ...
A decent education system is one that teaches young people to QUESTION and CHALLENGE rules and conventions, rather than to simply OBEY them. In that respect, the Japanese system is one of the worst in the world.
It might also explain why some Japanese people find themselves totally unable to cope when they're away from their own rule-bound culture.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6197921.stm
Chris
It might also explain why some Japanese people find themselves totally unable to cope when they're away from their own rule-bound culture.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6197921.stm
Chris
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