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And if such drugs are classed as illegal how can they suddenly become legal in only certain locations such as Brighton, which is already called the Gay centre of Britain?
And if such drugs are classed as illegal how can they suddenly become legal in only certain locations such as Brighton, which is already called the Gay centre of Britain?
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You must admit that AOG gets attacked on a daily basis regardless of what he posts. If he said it was Thursday,
16:49 Thu 18th Apr 2013
AOG
Just found your answer from 15:28.
I would suggest that it is merely a coincidence. Firstly as Brighton has second highest gay population in the UK, you could argue that it is already the San Francisco of Britain.
But aside from that, there is a flaw in associating gay people with heroin. It's not a 'gay' drug.
I'll explain that - heroin is a downer drug, not a party drug. Drug use amongst young gay men and women is centred around (although no exclusively) drugs such as ecstasy, speed, coke, ketamine, MDMA and GHB.
Heroin simply doesn't get a look in.
Just found your answer from 15:28.
I would suggest that it is merely a coincidence. Firstly as Brighton has second highest gay population in the UK, you could argue that it is already the San Francisco of Britain.
But aside from that, there is a flaw in associating gay people with heroin. It's not a 'gay' drug.
I'll explain that - heroin is a downer drug, not a party drug. Drug use amongst young gay men and women is centred around (although no exclusively) drugs such as ecstasy, speed, coke, ketamine, MDMA and GHB.
Heroin simply doesn't get a look in.
No, surely not. You make aog sound like an arsonist who lights a fire and then stands back to admire his handiwork, full of self-satisfaction, while others rush to put it out. He will return with an answer, a reasoned and logical answer, entirely addressed to the point , and not to some other point, not raised, instead. Just see if I'm not right. We shall learn the relevance of gays in Brighton.
I forgot to mention, in this thread, that Max Miller lived in Brighton . Now, ask me several times what the relevance is and I'll come up with an answer
I forgot to mention, in this thread, that Max Miller lived in Brighton . Now, ask me several times what the relevance is and I'll come up with an answer
I thought similar to sp1814, it's not the upper drugs which are widely used in clubs or bars etc... So ecstacy, cocaine and the like.
It's going to be the hard street drugs, mostly by addicts, many of which will be homeless or at risk of being made homeless.
I imagined it would have facilities to make the taking of street drugs safer, I guess a step up from needle exchanges for clean needles and such that are already about and have help and advice available for people, programmes, rehab, methodone etc..., access and advice about homelessness and other issues.
Probably more helping people who are a little more open to help than desperate junkies who probably more likely to shoot up in the nearest alley/doorway/stairwell... but they could be made a better all round service than some of the current ways like going into a chemist daily for a methodone prescription or clean needles.
Drugs are very prevalent here in Manchester. From coke culture in city bars to the wafts of dope fumes round and about in town (even on buses) to junkies shooting up in certain areas, people out from a fix, let alone the clubbing culture, especially with the all night party possibilities.
It's going to be the hard street drugs, mostly by addicts, many of which will be homeless or at risk of being made homeless.
I imagined it would have facilities to make the taking of street drugs safer, I guess a step up from needle exchanges for clean needles and such that are already about and have help and advice available for people, programmes, rehab, methodone etc..., access and advice about homelessness and other issues.
Probably more helping people who are a little more open to help than desperate junkies who probably more likely to shoot up in the nearest alley/doorway/stairwell... but they could be made a better all round service than some of the current ways like going into a chemist daily for a methodone prescription or clean needles.
Drugs are very prevalent here in Manchester. From coke culture in city bars to the wafts of dope fumes round and about in town (even on buses) to junkies shooting up in certain areas, people out from a fix, let alone the clubbing culture, especially with the all night party possibilities.
Eve
Yes. I know exactly what you mean. The problem with moving forward with drugs policies is that local authorities cannot be seen to condone illegal activity, but at the same time have to acknowledge that it does 'go on'.
This may be a situation where whatever they do, they will be criticised from one quarter or another.
Yes. I know exactly what you mean. The problem with moving forward with drugs policies is that local authorities cannot be seen to condone illegal activity, but at the same time have to acknowledge that it does 'go on'.
This may be a situation where whatever they do, they will be criticised from one quarter or another.
andy-hughes
Good Afternoon Andy
/// "Please tell me what it was that was all that rude?" ///
/// I already have - please check back.///
I don't think you have, I believe the reason you wouldn't state where I was being rude was because putting it down in true text, makes your accusation of rudeness all rather trivial.
Well I will do it for you, all I said to attract your accusation of rudeness to another ABer was this:
*Stop trying to twist things around, you know damn well that poverty isn't under discussion here*.
So it could only be the simple use of the word 'DAMN', I wonder how many times that word as been used in the ordinary course of conversation?
As you have said many times with the written word one cannot attach facial expressions, loudness or any other emotional expression if it comes to that.
Say the same sentence in the concept that I used it, to say one of your friends, or even your wife. and it would just disappear into insignificance with the rest of the conversation.
I am sure they wouldn't choose to make such a great deal out of it as you apparently have.
If you want rudeness why haven't you also pulled up this ABer, who regularly sits on the fence making such insults, not in the course of debate or conversation, but just for the hell of it. (forgive the use of the word HELL I don't want it to appear rude)
/// I think the heat may have driven His Gitship from the kitchen! ///
Good Afternoon Andy
/// "Please tell me what it was that was all that rude?" ///
/// I already have - please check back.///
I don't think you have, I believe the reason you wouldn't state where I was being rude was because putting it down in true text, makes your accusation of rudeness all rather trivial.
Well I will do it for you, all I said to attract your accusation of rudeness to another ABer was this:
*Stop trying to twist things around, you know damn well that poverty isn't under discussion here*.
So it could only be the simple use of the word 'DAMN', I wonder how many times that word as been used in the ordinary course of conversation?
As you have said many times with the written word one cannot attach facial expressions, loudness or any other emotional expression if it comes to that.
Say the same sentence in the concept that I used it, to say one of your friends, or even your wife. and it would just disappear into insignificance with the rest of the conversation.
I am sure they wouldn't choose to make such a great deal out of it as you apparently have.
If you want rudeness why haven't you also pulled up this ABer, who regularly sits on the fence making such insults, not in the course of debate or conversation, but just for the hell of it. (forgive the use of the word HELL I don't want it to appear rude)
/// I think the heat may have driven His Gitship from the kitchen! ///
LazyGun. I do agree with all that you are saying, however is it beyond the realms of possibility for United Nations to burn all dope plants throughout the world, try & cure the addicts we have now by compulsory treatment, arrest & imprison all gangs that threaten farmers & take all pushers off the market. Then moneys that are being spent in narcotic surveillance & seizure could be partly used to help the farmers to sell other crops they could grow to offset world food shortages, after all at the end of the day surely more should be done to rid the world of this dreadful scourge.
WR.
WR.
Good afternoon AOG,
In response to your post to me today -
/// "Please tell me what it was that was all that rude?" ///
/// I already have - please check back.///
"I don't think you have, I believe the reason you wouldn't state where I was being rude was because putting it down in true text, makes your accusation of rudeness all rather trivial."
AOG - "...you know damn well ..." is inappropriate language to a lady, to say nothing of adopting an aggresive tone, and as someone who is a stickler for good manners on here, I expect better of you.
16:11 Thu 18th Apr 2013.
"So it could only be the simple use of the word 'DAMN', I wonder how many times that word as been used in the ordinary course of conversation?"
No idea - but I don't use it, not in face to face conversation, and certainly not in internet forums with people i have not met - it is simply not polite, and that is the only point i was making. i guess from the exhanges we have had that we must agree to differ, and close the subject.
"Say the same sentence in the concept that I used it, to say one of your friends, or even your wife. and it would just disappear into insignificance with the rest of the conversation."
If you spoke to my wife in that tone I would request an apology then and there - I would not have my wife spoken to like that.
"/// I think the heat may have driven His Gitship from the kitchen! ///"
Sorry AOG, but if you choose to use 'robust' expressions in your posts without thought, then you must accept that others do the same - you cannot expect to be all sensitive and put-upon as you so often do, when you use the occasional inappropriate and provocative responses that lead you to fall out with more people on here than the rest of the regulars put together.
I suggest we let this drop now - we have each explained out points of view, and not for the first time, we differ. Never a problem - onwards in the sunshine. Have a good afternon.
In response to your post to me today -
/// "Please tell me what it was that was all that rude?" ///
/// I already have - please check back.///
"I don't think you have, I believe the reason you wouldn't state where I was being rude was because putting it down in true text, makes your accusation of rudeness all rather trivial."
AOG - "...you know damn well ..." is inappropriate language to a lady, to say nothing of adopting an aggresive tone, and as someone who is a stickler for good manners on here, I expect better of you.
16:11 Thu 18th Apr 2013.
"So it could only be the simple use of the word 'DAMN', I wonder how many times that word as been used in the ordinary course of conversation?"
No idea - but I don't use it, not in face to face conversation, and certainly not in internet forums with people i have not met - it is simply not polite, and that is the only point i was making. i guess from the exhanges we have had that we must agree to differ, and close the subject.
"Say the same sentence in the concept that I used it, to say one of your friends, or even your wife. and it would just disappear into insignificance with the rest of the conversation."
If you spoke to my wife in that tone I would request an apology then and there - I would not have my wife spoken to like that.
"/// I think the heat may have driven His Gitship from the kitchen! ///"
Sorry AOG, but if you choose to use 'robust' expressions in your posts without thought, then you must accept that others do the same - you cannot expect to be all sensitive and put-upon as you so often do, when you use the occasional inappropriate and provocative responses that lead you to fall out with more people on here than the rest of the regulars put together.
I suggest we let this drop now - we have each explained out points of view, and not for the first time, we differ. Never a problem - onwards in the sunshine. Have a good afternon.
andy-hughes
No sorry Andy I can't let some of what you have said go away without me speaking in my own defence.
/// AOG - "...you know damn well ..." is inappropriate language to a lady, to say nothing of adopting an aggresive tone, and as someone who is a stickler for good manners on here, I expect better of you. ///
"Inappropriate language to a lady" Once again I think you are being rather patronising to the fairer sex, especially when the lady herself never personally took me to task over the matter, but it was you who chose to blow the whole affair out of proportion as well as de-railing this OP off track.
Had I have used more insulting expletives I would agree with you, but on a site like this, I do not think that in these days of equality female members cannot expect any different treatment than others, especially when most on this site can give as good as it takes, and are not slow to aim insults at myself.
Aggressive tone? As I have already said how can anyone assume the 'tone' aggressive or otherwise, from the typed word?
/// If you spoke to my wife in that tone I would request an apology then and there - I would not have my wife spoken to like that. ///
There you go again, obviously on a one to one basis, I would not 'SPEAK' to your wife like that or anyone else's for that matter, but when one is speaking to a personal friend or even one's own wife, then such a word would not be taken in that context by them, that you have obviously taken it in.
/// Sorry AOG, but if you choose to use 'robust' expressions in your posts without thought, then you must accept that others do the same - you cannot expect to be all sensitive and put-upon as you so often do, when you use the occasional inappropriate and provocative responses that lead you to fall out with more people on here than the rest of the regulars put
together. ///
I am afraid not everyone agrees with you, see the post I have chosen as the best answer.
Yes when I entered this site many years ago, it had a much better class of membership than it seems to have today, I am regularly abused, name called, insulted, just for the very fact that I happen to prefer the Daily Mail web site for my news source, Called fascist, racist, homophobic, an EDL far-right winger or even sexist if I happen to enter news reports on these subjects,
so it is not unreasonable for me to defend myself
You know as well as anyone that this site tends to lean to the 'Left' and anyone with different views are treated as some form of low life, and I for one is not prepared to take it all lying down.
And if you still do not believe me, it is not hard to enter my profile to see definite proof of what I have said.
But now you have set yourself up as the Answerbanks "correcter of inappropriate language", I will be monitoring your progress to make sure that it is not just one-sided biased, and in return I will not be the first to issue insults, unless they are in my own defence of those thrown at me.
No sorry Andy I can't let some of what you have said go away without me speaking in my own defence.
/// AOG - "...you know damn well ..." is inappropriate language to a lady, to say nothing of adopting an aggresive tone, and as someone who is a stickler for good manners on here, I expect better of you. ///
"Inappropriate language to a lady" Once again I think you are being rather patronising to the fairer sex, especially when the lady herself never personally took me to task over the matter, but it was you who chose to blow the whole affair out of proportion as well as de-railing this OP off track.
Had I have used more insulting expletives I would agree with you, but on a site like this, I do not think that in these days of equality female members cannot expect any different treatment than others, especially when most on this site can give as good as it takes, and are not slow to aim insults at myself.
Aggressive tone? As I have already said how can anyone assume the 'tone' aggressive or otherwise, from the typed word?
/// If you spoke to my wife in that tone I would request an apology then and there - I would not have my wife spoken to like that. ///
There you go again, obviously on a one to one basis, I would not 'SPEAK' to your wife like that or anyone else's for that matter, but when one is speaking to a personal friend or even one's own wife, then such a word would not be taken in that context by them, that you have obviously taken it in.
/// Sorry AOG, but if you choose to use 'robust' expressions in your posts without thought, then you must accept that others do the same - you cannot expect to be all sensitive and put-upon as you so often do, when you use the occasional inappropriate and provocative responses that lead you to fall out with more people on here than the rest of the regulars put
together. ///
I am afraid not everyone agrees with you, see the post I have chosen as the best answer.
Yes when I entered this site many years ago, it had a much better class of membership than it seems to have today, I am regularly abused, name called, insulted, just for the very fact that I happen to prefer the Daily Mail web site for my news source, Called fascist, racist, homophobic, an EDL far-right winger or even sexist if I happen to enter news reports on these subjects,
so it is not unreasonable for me to defend myself
You know as well as anyone that this site tends to lean to the 'Left' and anyone with different views are treated as some form of low life, and I for one is not prepared to take it all lying down.
And if you still do not believe me, it is not hard to enter my profile to see definite proof of what I have said.
But now you have set yourself up as the Answerbanks "correcter of inappropriate language", I will be monitoring your progress to make sure that it is not just one-sided biased, and in return I will not be the first to issue insults, unless they are in my own defence of those thrown at me.
jim and AOG
Increasingly, as my exchange with AOG became longer and longer, I began to feel that I had in fact reacted in haste, and with hindsight, probably over-reacted.
In view of that, I would wish to confirm that I do appear to have come over as some sort of censor / moral guardian, and that is not a position with which I am comfortable.
I am therefore happy to close the issue here - and thank AOG for a typically robust debate.
I will try to ensure that in future, I am not taking up cugels on behalf of another, who quite possibly does not expect, need, or even want such action - without a far stronger issue to take.
All honour satisfied I hope - good afternoon.
Increasingly, as my exchange with AOG became longer and longer, I began to feel that I had in fact reacted in haste, and with hindsight, probably over-reacted.
In view of that, I would wish to confirm that I do appear to have come over as some sort of censor / moral guardian, and that is not a position with which I am comfortable.
I am therefore happy to close the issue here - and thank AOG for a typically robust debate.
I will try to ensure that in future, I am not taking up cugels on behalf of another, who quite possibly does not expect, need, or even want such action - without a far stronger issue to take.
All honour satisfied I hope - good afternoon.
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