Birth Certificates

[MrFoley]

Good evening everyone,

When I was born by parents were on Holiday in Ireland visiting friends when my mum went in to labour and I was born at her friends house In Sligo, Ireland. My mum is Scottish by birth but lived in England and my birth was registered in England and she lied and put I was born at the local hospital which I wasn't.

I would love to be able to get an Irish birth certificate as I would like to apply for and Irish Passport.

Is it possible to challenge this? I no longer have anything to do with my parents so i'm not sure what to do about this.

[sandyRoe]

Were any of your parents or grandparents born in Ireland?

[DJHawkes]

no it's not possible. To get one you would have to have been registered in Ireland and your mum and dad didn't register you there and so there is no evidence that you were born there.

[DJHawkes]

a certfified copy birth certificate is a certified copy of an entry in the birth registers, there isn't an irish registration in existance therefore nothing to make a certfied copy of .

[gness]

Mr Foley...You won't need to have an Irish birth certificate if one of your parents was born in Ireland...not sure about the ruling on grandparents.

[sherrardk]

Why do you want an Irish passport?

[Peter Pedant]

BeJaysus

Altho you say the birth was registered in England - was it also registered in Ireland - North or Republic ? Or any record about it ?

what youre saying is your mum had a child erm by her self without any help at all from the local midwife or doctor ?

actually I wouldnt have said that was possible....

If you can show you were born in ireland and your parents were there lawfully then under the jus solium you are entitled to Irish nationality and therefore an Oirish passport.


Sudduv different - two of my gt uncles were born in the Dutch republics in the 1890s and were called up and served on the Dutch side in the Boer War - and werent shot at the end of it altho I am not sure what my gt grandfather had to say on the matter. In Pretoria they said they would call up the sons of the English settlers to fight for the Dutch and cheerfully said when the parents protested that they were English that in that case they would shoot them. This precipitated whole sale migrations across the border to Natal.

HO hum

[EDDIE51]

As said I am afraid you can not get an Irish passport or birth certificate as there is no record of your birth there. I doubt that just being born in Ireland by chance of your Mum being there on holiday would qualify you as an Irish citizen anyway.
My daugher was born in Zambia as I was working there but she cannot claim Zambian nationality,

[Peter Pedant]

Eddie - it depends on whether you rushed orf to the British Consulate to register it.
If you registered it in Zambia - she's Zambian.


One of my frenz commented - you are damned right I did, I did it later on in the day.

Naughty naughty people such as my Dad, was born in the Union of SOuth Africa that is, naturalised to British in the fifties and then renewed his South African passport without renouncing (acquired) British nationality, which made us all stare in disbelief.. But I do not (have any rights) as he didnt register my birth at birth and I am not resident in RSA.

Irish nationality is a specialised area - as before 1922 the Irish were erm English if you get my meaning. The borders were never closed. So a lot of our contemporaries have rights because their parents were born in the United Kingdom as was.
They have a right to vote so long as they can show they are resident.
And 186 000 of them were welcomed with open arms into the British regiments during the war - and when they returned South I think were denied civil and political rights.....

You see the British birth certificate was secured by fraud so I am sure there is room for manoeuvre. Oh and good news you can t be made stateless - that is the Brits cannot deprive you of nationality unless you have one to go to - even on the grounds of fraud (there's treaty about this)

I agree there are evidential problems about this
( but the q wasnt do you think this will be hard to prove)

[hc4361]

Before 1922 the Irish were British, not English, Peter.
Just being pedantic.

[hc4361]

Methyl, people in the Republic of Ireland don't need a passport to enter the UK.
And vice versa

[Peter Pedant]

They called themselves British but were member of the United kingdom.
yes thank you HC - I was using it sardonically or ironically.

and from the Irish point of view - she (Her Madge) is still referred to as the Queen of England by some down there - over there (you know)

and also in London - didnt the American camped outside Lindo WIng waiting for Baby Cambridge, burble that she was so excited that the Queen of England was gonna have another gt grandchild.

[hc4361]

Yes, it is very annoying for the rest of Britain.

Not as annoying as calling Canadians Americans, or NZers Australians, though.

[EDDIE51]

Peter Pendant I registered the birth at the British High Commision in Lusaka and it was a good job I did. The Zambian Registry Office was a wooden hut, in 1983 it burnt to the ground and all records were destroyed. We lost the original and needed a copy of her Zambian birth certificate but could not get one. Eventually we got a copy of the entry at the High Commission and had to swear a declaration at the Foreign and commonwealth office which serves as her birth certificate .
Any birth marriage or death registered in Zambia from 1983 or before has no record , do not know how they get on about that, if someone needs a passport.
She is not Zambian as we her parents are British, but it was a hell of a job to get her a passport.