Was This Person Unduly Treated By Our Security People?.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/19/detention-david-miranda-keith-vaz-glenn-greenwald

Now let's see if this is more pleasing to the pallet, it should be taking into account that it circles round, the 'unlawful' arrest of a Guardian journalist's partner, by the dreaded British police, most likely at the request of US National Security Agency and wait a minute Mr Miranda also happens to be Brazilian, so we also have the racist element thrown in.

Yes this should start off a debate surely.

[Peter Pedant]

Jake - GCHQ and NSA (the US GCHQ) have a long record of co operation - BRUSA 1942 and then UKUSA ( end of the war)
very well reviewed in 'The Emperor's Codes'
[ The Brits were good at solving the Japanese book codes with pencil and paper - (not the machine cyphers like purple) and clearly sharing was a good way forward ]

but this goes beyond info sharing and is more info gathering - or we could say arresting and confiscating

and as the black MP has just said on the tee vee

these powers are so wide under terrorism that we have to be certain that they are being used as intended and not for the benefit solely of other people and the purposes are not related to terrorrism


and since he is an MP and good on words - you think - good on you Mr MP !

[anotheoldgit]

pixie373 and joggerjayne just read your comments thanks also.

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant

/// and as the black MP has just said on the tee vee ///

What has his skin colour got to do with what he said?

[naomi24]

Douglas, no you are not alone. I agree with you.

[FredPuli43]

AOG , "As the ginger MP"/ "The woman MP"/ "The black MP"/ "The bearded MP "/ "The one in the red dress "/etc is how we identify and distinguish which of the ones on the discussion or news programme we mean, when we can't remember their name.

His hair colour/her sex / his colour/ his beard/ her dress , have nothing to do with what they say. Those are simply identifiers.

Racial sensitivity is a little misplaced in such cases.

[Brenden]

Seems as though The Guardian" are applying for a non dis-closure etc of said documents via the courts - hum?.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

No need to go to all that trouble with those descriptions Fred, I know perfectly well the idea of descriptions.

I should have realised that is only myself, who cannot mention a persons skin colour, since I am forever being criticised for daring to mention a persons skin colour as being totally irrelevant.

But it seems that it perfectly in order for the usual suspects to do so, along with their mates to back them up.

[youngmafbog]

No, he was not.

[youngmafbog]

I am sure the Guarianista's would hold a different view if it was the wife of a Daily Mail journalist!

[FredPuli43]

Ah, well, AOG, there may be a reason why your use of references to someone's colour attracts attention, but it doesn't when some others do the same. You picked up a perfectly non-racist reference to colour , by PP, for comment, suggesting that you don't know which references to colour are mere identification, to distinguish one speaker from another, which are irrelevant, and which carry racist overtones whether irrelevant detail or not.

[FredPuli43]

You cynic, ymf ! Both papers would howl, as the Guardian has. Both , surely, would hint at press repression; the Daily Mail has not been enthusiastic about Leveson's report. If it was a DM journalist, the paper would be running "What is the world coming to?" pieces about their man