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Revolting Tory Backbenchers
Are they going to be a major problem for Cameron in the next 18 months?
Will war break out in the Conservative Party again, over Europe?
95 Consetvative MPs have written to the Prime Minister bemanding he enacts powers to veto everything coming from the EU. That will obviously not happen soon. They are mischief making. Their letter to the PM is here:
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I'm sre a lot of you will agree with the letter. But in fighting and internl squabbles going into an an lection will just lead to a huge Labour win, will it not?
Will war break out in the Conservative Party again, over Europe?
95 Consetvative MPs have written to the Prime Minister bemanding he enacts powers to veto everything coming from the EU. That will obviously not happen soon. They are mischief making. Their letter to the PM is here:
http://
I'm sre a lot of you will agree with the letter. But in fighting and internl squabbles going into an an lection will just lead to a huge Labour win, will it not?
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Europe will continue to be a thorn in the side of both the main parties. Until and unless the electorate is asked whether they are happy to have (an increasing number of) their affairs determined by foreigners or whether they’d prefer to see their elected MPs decide issues for them, then it will remain so.
Despite Sqad’s suggestion that Europe will be low on the list of people’s considerations at election time, it most certainly will be a big issue for many. And in any case, election or not, the electorate deserve to have a say in the matter as it is becoming increasingly clear that fundamental constitutional issues are involved.
It is simple to resolve. Hold an “in/out” referendum asap, bow to the will of the people (no talk of “winning” or “losing” the plebiscite) and let’s all move on. My opposition to the EU is no secret but much of my opposition stems from the fact that the people have never been asked what they want since it became abundantly clear that the “Common Market” was set to evolve into a Federal State. If the vote says we should stay in, much as I’d be disappointed, I’d shut up.
Despite Sqad’s suggestion that Europe will be low on the list of people’s considerations at election time, it most certainly will be a big issue for many. And in any case, election or not, the electorate deserve to have a say in the matter as it is becoming increasingly clear that fundamental constitutional issues are involved.
It is simple to resolve. Hold an “in/out” referendum asap, bow to the will of the people (no talk of “winning” or “losing” the plebiscite) and let’s all move on. My opposition to the EU is no secret but much of my opposition stems from the fact that the people have never been asked what they want since it became abundantly clear that the “Common Market” was set to evolve into a Federal State. If the vote says we should stay in, much as I’d be disappointed, I’d shut up.
Cameron could have saved the situation had he given us a referendum before the election. That would have sent a strong signal to Brussels that we the British people , are no longer prepared to have our sovereignty overruled, resulting in criminals being let loose on our streets,
terrorists and criminal illegal immigrants being allowed to stay here because of their human rights, etc. whilst enjoying, abusing , our NHS and benefit system.
Plus of course the vast cost to the taxpayer of all this and the discredited CAP system.
Cameron wont be able change this, even if he realy wanted to, because it would need wholesale support from the other members . Which he wont /cant get .
At the moment he has a very weak hand and Brussels knows it. Labour and the Libs have always sucked up to Europe and, like Blair are willing to hand over millons whilst getting posh jobs for relations.
The only people who are speaking up for us and trying to stiffen Cameron's backbone are the Tory back benchers. All in vain I fear .
terrorists and criminal illegal immigrants being allowed to stay here because of their human rights, etc. whilst enjoying, abusing , our NHS and benefit system.
Plus of course the vast cost to the taxpayer of all this and the discredited CAP system.
Cameron wont be able change this, even if he realy wanted to, because it would need wholesale support from the other members . Which he wont /cant get .
At the moment he has a very weak hand and Brussels knows it. Labour and the Libs have always sucked up to Europe and, like Blair are willing to hand over millons whilst getting posh jobs for relations.
The only people who are speaking up for us and trying to stiffen Cameron's backbone are the Tory back benchers. All in vain I fear .
no it doesn't, and it is a big thing, just because i didn't put a question mark by my points, sorry to be so sloppy, a reformed, redrawn Europe, how is that going to happen?
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There is absolutely no chance of there being any meaningful reform of the EU whether or not the UK electorate is granted a referendum and regardless of the way such a vote may go.
The EU is entrenched in its philosophy and attitudes - which were born sixty years ago when things were very different - and it will not change. It sees centralisation, regulation and control as key drivers to the so-called single market. Its key principle of free movement of people was envisaged when there were only a handful of member states all with similar economies and pay rates. This principle is bound to fail when twenty eight members have such diverse economies. It prefers not to let such a trifling thing as the will of the people derail the European Project and will do all it can to protect the EU’s institutions and their powers from the jeopardy caused by democracy..
The foreign secretary said [a national veto on EU regulations] was impractical, as "common rules" had to be followed by all 28 EU members. Quite why it is that businesses that have no dealings outside the UK (which form the vast majority of businesses in this country) should have to comply with a myriad of regulations (at enormous cost) to enable them to achieve compliance in a market in which they have no involvement is not entirely clear. Furthermore, many regulations spewing forth from Brussels have nothing to do with trade whatsoever, but are simply interference in what should be purely domestic policy.
The question that should be put to the UK electorate is quite straightforward and it should be put sooner rather than later. It is this: “do you wish the UK to remain a member of the EU?”. No smoke and mirrors should be introduced concerning reform as no meaningful reformation is likely. Put simply, if you are happy to continue to have the UK’s legislation determined by a forum, the vast majority of whose members are foreigners, and to see that legislation enacted by people over whom you have no democratic control, then vote “Yes”. Otherwise do the other thing.
But to be asked the question at all is unlikely in the extreme.
The EU is entrenched in its philosophy and attitudes - which were born sixty years ago when things were very different - and it will not change. It sees centralisation, regulation and control as key drivers to the so-called single market. Its key principle of free movement of people was envisaged when there were only a handful of member states all with similar economies and pay rates. This principle is bound to fail when twenty eight members have such diverse economies. It prefers not to let such a trifling thing as the will of the people derail the European Project and will do all it can to protect the EU’s institutions and their powers from the jeopardy caused by democracy..
The foreign secretary said [a national veto on EU regulations] was impractical, as "common rules" had to be followed by all 28 EU members. Quite why it is that businesses that have no dealings outside the UK (which form the vast majority of businesses in this country) should have to comply with a myriad of regulations (at enormous cost) to enable them to achieve compliance in a market in which they have no involvement is not entirely clear. Furthermore, many regulations spewing forth from Brussels have nothing to do with trade whatsoever, but are simply interference in what should be purely domestic policy.
The question that should be put to the UK electorate is quite straightforward and it should be put sooner rather than later. It is this: “do you wish the UK to remain a member of the EU?”. No smoke and mirrors should be introduced concerning reform as no meaningful reformation is likely. Put simply, if you are happy to continue to have the UK’s legislation determined by a forum, the vast majority of whose members are foreigners, and to see that legislation enacted by people over whom you have no democratic control, then vote “Yes”. Otherwise do the other thing.
But to be asked the question at all is unlikely in the extreme.
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