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Caught Urinating In Station By Tfl- Update
Despite many responses on here stating that I should accept the caution, which were recommended in my best interests (original post below), I attended a Magistrates Court in East London. The case was dismissed & no fine issued, even though I did enter a guilty plea
I contested the case with no legal help. The basis of my defence was the fact that I offered to pay a fine, and if this was not acceptable then I would accept the caution. A penalty fine is a non-recordable offence, only visible via enhanced CRB. The CPS withdrew the case with immediate effect once I mentioned this to them, as an offer had been made to them to remedy the matter without court action, which they had not been notified about.
For future reference, if a fine or a caution is offered, always accept the fine, and if a caution may have implications for future work and has only been offered, then put forward an option to pay a fine, as if this is not considered, the court will not look too favourably upon the prosecuting party
Original Post below
Caught Urinating In Station By Tfl 06.06.13
Hi all embarrassed to ask for advice but here goes. I was out on the booze after work and on my way home drunk but not disorderly I decided to take a leak in a ditch on the station .it was night time and I was concealed however I was approached by two tel officers. the main officer wrote down the offence in his notebook which I signed as he stated it was a non recordable offence for police purposes.he then cautioned me and asked me to come into his room and sign a simple caution letter which I refused as I was initially told by the officer initially that the offence was non recordable which the caution letter said differently. this is my first ever offence at 39 years of age. I don't know what to do apart from take legal advice. should I accept the simple caution or contest it. help
I contested the case with no legal help. The basis of my defence was the fact that I offered to pay a fine, and if this was not acceptable then I would accept the caution. A penalty fine is a non-recordable offence, only visible via enhanced CRB. The CPS withdrew the case with immediate effect once I mentioned this to them, as an offer had been made to them to remedy the matter without court action, which they had not been notified about.
For future reference, if a fine or a caution is offered, always accept the fine, and if a caution may have implications for future work and has only been offered, then put forward an option to pay a fine, as if this is not considered, the court will not look too favourably upon the prosecuting party
Original Post below
Caught Urinating In Station By Tfl 06.06.13
Hi all embarrassed to ask for advice but here goes. I was out on the booze after work and on my way home drunk but not disorderly I decided to take a leak in a ditch on the station .it was night time and I was concealed however I was approached by two tel officers. the main officer wrote down the offence in his notebook which I signed as he stated it was a non recordable offence for police purposes.he then cautioned me and asked me to come into his room and sign a simple caution letter which I refused as I was initially told by the officer initially that the offence was non recordable which the caution letter said differently. this is my first ever offence at 39 years of age. I don't know what to do apart from take legal advice. should I accept the simple caution or contest it. help
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Sock to them Pravstar I didnt remember your post: but I posted so in the spirit of reliving past victories here it is: Thank about the info on Public order act I have a lot of sympthy for you Pravstar, I have had radiotherapy to my bladder so I dont have to get drunk to get caught short and I can tell you it is absolute hell. Especially when they close the public lavs and...
19:07 Fri 17th Jan 2014
Sock to them Pravstar
I didnt remember your post: but I posted so in the spirit of reliving past victories here it is:
Thank about the info on Public order act
I have a lot of sympthy for you Pravstar,
I have had radiotherapy to my bladder so I dont have to get drunk to get caught short and I can tell you it is absolute hell.
Especially when they close the public lavs and then ask why are you pissing on the street.
My sympathies - no advice on the caution I am afraid.
So well done P
I am glad you saw it thro'
and Baza the next time you prosecute someone for p+ssing in the street can you find out if they are disabled and if there is a bog near
For my part the answer the answer may be yes and no.
so sleepwell prav
I didnt remember your post: but I posted so in the spirit of reliving past victories here it is:
Thank about the info on Public order act
I have a lot of sympthy for you Pravstar,
I have had radiotherapy to my bladder so I dont have to get drunk to get caught short and I can tell you it is absolute hell.
Especially when they close the public lavs and then ask why are you pissing on the street.
My sympathies - no advice on the caution I am afraid.
So well done P
I am glad you saw it thro'
and Baza the next time you prosecute someone for p+ssing in the street can you find out if they are disabled and if there is a bog near
For my part the answer the answer may be yes and no.
so sleepwell prav
Thankyou Peter, I do recall your original post too which was the only one with any sympathy. In your case you would have a lot more in your defense, I am sorry to hear about your medical problem, and hope treatment improves your condition.
It also restores a lot of faith in the Law knowing I have come out unscathed, there is no likely hood of me reoffending, the court put the fear factor in that regards.
It also restores a lot of faith in the Law knowing I have come out unscathed, there is no likely hood of me reoffending, the court put the fear factor in that regards.
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