Ukip Or Edl

[dunnitall]

Other than 'neither', which one would you choose to vote for IF you were to vote this way? I just wonder what the difference between the two are or isn't there any difference?

[emmie]

gosh i had no idea that this democracy was under the cosh, we have more chance of becoming an Islamic state one day than being ruled by a quasi Nazi party, wake up.

[Gromit]

It is worth reminding people that in the early 1970s the anti-Europe, anti immigration people were the far left wingers in the Labour Party, not the far right.

// In the 1970s and early 1980s the Labour Party was the more Eurosceptic of the two parties, with more anti-European Communities MPs than the Conservatives. In 1975, Labour held a special conference on British membership and the party voted 2 to 1 for Britain to leave the European Communities. In 1979, the Labour manifesto declared that a Labour government would "oppose any move towards turning the Community into a federation" and, in 1983, it still favoured British withdrawal from the EEC. //

// The "No" campaign included the left wing of the Labour Party, including cabinet ministers such as Tony Benn, Michael Foot, Peter Shore and Barbara Castle. Some Labour "No" supporters were on the right wing of the party, such as cabinet minister Eric Varley. The campaign also included many Labour backbenchers; upon the division on a pro-EEC White Paper about the renegotiation, 148 Labour MPs opposed their own government's measure, whereas only 138 supported it and 32 abstained.[2] Some members of the Conservative Party also supported the "No" campaign, although there were far fewer Eurosceptic figures in the Parliamentary Conservative Party in 1975. //

[emmie]

not quite as clear cut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism_in_the_United_Kingdom

[Gromit]

Emmie,

Did you read your own link? The first quote I posted above was from that wiki link.

[emmie]

i always do, you have to read right through it.

[emmie]

this relates to what was the EEC, a massive difference to what we have now the hated EU, federalist super state


wiki]
Although at present a significant proportion of Conservatives are hostile to the European Union, it was the Conservative Party that took the United Kingdom into what then was the European Community. Nevertheless, certain groups of Conservatives still opposed British accession to what was then the Common Market. One of the earliest groups formed especially against British involvement in Europe was the initially Conservative Party-based Anti-Common Market League, whose president Victor Montagu declared that opponents of the Common Market did not want to "subject [themselves] to a lot of frogs and huns".[1] Conversely, much of the opposition to Britain's EU membership initially came from Labour politicians and trade unionists who feared bloc membership would impede socialist policies, although this was never the universal Labour Party opinion.

[emmie]

this is a totally different ball game, one which has been loaded in favour of Germany, tell me different - we should get out, trade within the EU won't stop, nor will it affect our relations with other countries, or at least bring back powers to our own Parliament on human rights, who we can get rid of, or allow in -

[dunnitall]

Very interesting with all the views I must say and I didn't realise fully about the EDL I probably then should have said BNP instead (TiC). However I agree with emmie that this country has more chance of becoming an Islamic state than being ruled by nazi's. Regarding the EU though, many years ago I corresponded with a teacher in Latvia when lots of things were going on here with Europe talk, and she always said to me to beware of going fully into Europe because it would become a federal state as their country had been with Russia. She was IMO completely right and could see more than most of the pro Europe bods here at the time.

[emmie]

what we want is trade, not to be dictated to over borders, over foreign criminals, being told that we will do this or that, what the hell did we fight two world wars for, costing the lives of millions and millions of our citizens and allies, to be walked over by men and some women in grey suits, that we didn't elect.

[Gromit]

Dunnitall

You anedote is interesting but slightly let down by the fact that Latvia joined the EU 10 years ago.

Out of the frying pan into the fire, I suppose.

[Gromit]

And latvia got a referendum BEFORE joining, unlike the UK. Two thirds were in favour.