the hatred, anne - because it is so boring and a massive waste of energy and money, when better things could be done. I lived through René Levecque in Montréal in 1980 and things are no different now and look what happened there. Scotland would have been far better off in pushing for a devo-max strategy but remaining part of the UK and, hence, part of the EEC. Countries can not survive this day and age by not being part of a larger bloc, economically or politically - the strive for cultural independence is another question and achievable within the framework, in the manner we have been recognised down here - and you have a far larger strength and history in this area, that's part of the sad joke in this.