The United Muslim Kingdom

[Theland]

Heard recently that research shows that an average of 2.3 children per couple is required to sustain a culture, and that EU average is only 1.6. No EU country is above 2 per cent. Muslims in The UK average about 8, so only a matter of time and demographics before the church bells are replaced with the sound of a cat being dragged through a keyhole.
Then what happens to us? Atheists included?

[EDDIE51]

Graham-W it must be those chilly nights in Finland that gives them the highest birth-rate. What else is there to do?

[Canary42]

I know I've said it before, but I do still believe we should have a Topic Heading of Xenophobia.

[Theland]

Yes, 2.3 stick in my mind. As far as Xenophobia is concerned, count me in. It's scary.

[naomi24]

Canary, genuine concerns are not Xenophobia. They are genuine concerns.

[Old_Geezer]

An average of 2 surviving and later breeding children is necessary to sustain a culture. That may work out at 2.3 overall for all I know, it'd depend on its health service and percentage of surviving offspring.

But a culture whose people have realised they have expanded too much, and that it is irresponsible to continue expanding, may well instinctively do the right thing overall (irresponsible individuals bucking the trend) and contract a little.

For sure this does not prevent being swamped by less enlightened cultures who do not have the same advantages, and could be a concern; but that seems the lesser problem at present. We can not sensibly continue in a "who can grow the biggest" race between cultures. But if the society in question is sensible it will restrict immigration spoiling it's good efforts.

Meanwhile one can only hope areas of the world that do overbreed reach a stage where they too realise and do something about the problem.

What I don't understand is why the question is put in a religious context. A society can have many religions and yet I believe there is a tendency to move towards the country's typical family size rather than stay as an isolated group adhering to some religious 'norm', is there not ? immigrants may be less willing to adopt the local behaviour, but second and third generation ?

[mibn2cweus]

Not to worry Theland, if certain sources are to be believed . . .

"The end is nigh!"

[keyplus90]

Majority rules and it is known as democracy. And I always thought that you were people who believed in democracy. Or is it only when it suits you?

[whirlyhurly]

I liken Islam to an oil slick slowly spreading and taking over all in its path.

[New Judge]

Quite so. But as I have said before many times on AB the UK, along with just about every other nation, needs a reduction in population, not steady numbers and certainly not an increasing one.

[naomi24]

Keyplus relishes the thought of the day when the flag of Islam flies above Downing Street taking this country straight back to the Dark Ages. Funny thing is he gained his education here, he was able to buy his property here, his children are well educated here, and what he’s achieved in this country could only ever have been a pipe dream in his native Pakistan - which, if he's honest, is why he came here in the first place. Where’s the sense in that?

[keyplus90]

Naomi - so you do not have a logical answer to my post then. Normal for you really.

[douglas9401]

"Majority rules and it is known as democracy. And I always thought that you were people who believed in democracy. Or is it only when it suits you?"

Democracies evolve over time, they're not created through a breeding programme with some idea of life in the stoneage with the usual suspects elevating themselves above their fellows, dealing out 'justice' and spouting fantasy as fact to keep a hold of their power as the end result.

If you're all brothers in the eyes of allah can you explain the ongoing Sunni-Shia barbarism along with apparently random atrocities to anyone else who looks at the bewildered in a funny way?

[naomi24]

Keyplus, my answer is logical, but your ambition for Islam isn’t. You came here for a better life, which you’ve achieved, and now you want to turn this country into a clone of the backward hell hole you’ve come from. Again I’ll ask, where is the sense in that?