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What Impact Would Scotland’S Departure From The Uk Have On England?
There are many threads running on the benefits or otherwise for Scotland should it leave the Union, but what do you feel are the implications for England if the division occurs? Will England be worse off or better off, and how?
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I think the effects may be being felt already in that the "establishment" is becoming very twitchy. My hope for England is that its people become seriously interested in issues more important than those they up to now have been preoccupied with. The current UK is so clapped out that it needs a really sharp awakening and begin the task of sorting out almost every office, institution and agency in the land - pretty much every part of "the system" is a patchwork of sticking plaster on sticking plaster. Perhaps a Yes vote will do the trick.
"The Lib Dems have made no difference to government policy..."
I won't look anything up, jeffa, just what I can remember:
Boundary changes: blocked by LibDems
"Bedroom Tax": Blocked by LibDems
Vote on PR: Held at behest of LibDems
Personal allowance (Income Tax): increased at insistence of LibDems
"Pupil Premium": LibDem idea
Shared parenting leave: Ditto
Free school lunches for all: Nick Clegg champion
Not saying any of it is good or bad, just what I can think of as the LibDems making "no difference" to government policy.
Other things most certainly have been blocked by them (if not admittedly) including reform of HRA and ECHR (especially Article 8)
Care to reconsider, jeffa?
I won't look anything up, jeffa, just what I can remember:
Boundary changes: blocked by LibDems
"Bedroom Tax": Blocked by LibDems
Vote on PR: Held at behest of LibDems
Personal allowance (Income Tax): increased at insistence of LibDems
"Pupil Premium": LibDem idea
Shared parenting leave: Ditto
Free school lunches for all: Nick Clegg champion
Not saying any of it is good or bad, just what I can think of as the LibDems making "no difference" to government policy.
Other things most certainly have been blocked by them (if not admittedly) including reform of HRA and ECHR (especially Article 8)
Care to reconsider, jeffa?
"Whatever the result, unless it is a landslide one way or the other, it will leave Scotland a deeply divided country..... "
The press is politically biased and it is difficult to see the true picture. Locally the antics of the YES and NO campaigns have been good humoured and realistic.
I think that the anti-Scotish sentiment shown by some posters has been, at the very least, unkind. There is much made of the supposed hatred of Scots for the English but it seems that it really exists in the reverse.
Yes - we get free NHS services but the money has to be drained from another budget. Robbing Peter to pay Paul ??
The press is politically biased and it is difficult to see the true picture. Locally the antics of the YES and NO campaigns have been good humoured and realistic.
I think that the anti-Scotish sentiment shown by some posters has been, at the very least, unkind. There is much made of the supposed hatred of Scots for the English but it seems that it really exists in the reverse.
Yes - we get free NHS services but the money has to be drained from another budget. Robbing Peter to pay Paul ??
Oh, I see now! Used to be similar on Tyneside.
On the subject of Glasgow v Edinburgh, the saying used to be that if you knocked on the door of a house in Glasgow on a Sunday afternoon the reply would be;
"Come away in, ye'll be wantin' yer tea!"
whereas in Edinburgh it would be;
"Come away in, ye'll have had yer tea?"
On the subject of Glasgow v Edinburgh, the saying used to be that if you knocked on the door of a house in Glasgow on a Sunday afternoon the reply would be;
"Come away in, ye'll be wantin' yer tea!"
whereas in Edinburgh it would be;
"Come away in, ye'll have had yer tea?"
OK, perhaps, "substantially modified" might be a better term (I was working from memory):
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Lib Dem Andrew George is urging MPs to back a plan to exempt more people from what critics call the "bedroom tax" and ministers the "spare room subsidy". Lib Dem MPs will get behind Mr George's bill, with Labour also promising to back it. The Tories are understood to have ordered their MPs to vote against the bill on Friday on a three-line whip. Mr George is outlining what he has called "modest reforms" to the system, with more MPs in the Commons chamber than usual for a Friday. If his private member's bill becomes law people who could not be found a smaller home would be exempt from the housing benefit changes."
I believe Mr Andrew's bill was passed with the LibDems voting with Labour.
And once again I'm not arguing the merits of the move. It's just to demonstrate an example of LibDems "making no difference to government policy".
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Lib Dem Andrew George is urging MPs to back a plan to exempt more people from what critics call the "bedroom tax" and ministers the "spare room subsidy". Lib Dem MPs will get behind Mr George's bill, with Labour also promising to back it. The Tories are understood to have ordered their MPs to vote against the bill on Friday on a three-line whip. Mr George is outlining what he has called "modest reforms" to the system, with more MPs in the Commons chamber than usual for a Friday. If his private member's bill becomes law people who could not be found a smaller home would be exempt from the housing benefit changes."
I believe Mr Andrew's bill was passed with the LibDems voting with Labour.
And once again I'm not arguing the merits of the move. It's just to demonstrate an example of LibDems "making no difference to government policy".
It may be a rarity in the past but the current arithmetical fact is that in 2010 there would have been a clear Tory majority if the 59 Scottish seats were removed. The main parties are fairly evenly matched and I know If I was Dave I'd welcome the removal of 59 opposition seats from the equation. QM/Jeffa may delude themseves but currently at least removing the Scottish MPs plays into Tory hands.
To answer the question though Naomi, Scotland has been subsidised by England since the act of Union so on paper England should be better off but I doubt it will work out that way.
To answer the question though Naomi, Scotland has been subsidised by England since the act of Union so on paper England should be better off but I doubt it will work out that way.
The Welfare Reform Act 2012 was enacted by Parliament in March of that year and came into force just over a year later. An overall Tory majority would have made no difference on that.
Andrew George's Affordable Housing Bill may indeed yet become law; who knows. It's in for a lengthy report stage where it will almost certainly be subject to many amendments, the tried and test method of killing a private member's bill stone dead! That said, it may yet clear the Commons, to the irritation of the Tories I'm sure. Who knows, sympathetic crossbenchers in the Lords may indeed be enough to shoe-horn it onto the statute book.
This is by no means unique, even in an absolute majority.
Andrew George's Affordable Housing Bill may indeed yet become law; who knows. It's in for a lengthy report stage where it will almost certainly be subject to many amendments, the tried and test method of killing a private member's bill stone dead! That said, it may yet clear the Commons, to the irritation of the Tories I'm sure. Who knows, sympathetic crossbenchers in the Lords may indeed be enough to shoe-horn it onto the statute book.
This is by no means unique, even in an absolute majority.
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