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So Was The France Killing Thing Just A Big Set Up.
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Many people think so!
There does appear to be some evidence to suggest that is the case.
I don't usually fall for this conspiracy stuff but I do sometimes wonder!
There does appear to be some evidence to suggest that is the case.
I don't usually fall for this conspiracy stuff but I do sometimes wonder!
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A few points;
A 7.62mm round is, indeed, a little over 5" long, as portrayed, but let's not forget that only the projectile section (the tip) enters the body. I would suggest that the photo of the 'full metal jacket 7.62mm' was shown for dramatic effect and to give the impression that all 5 plus inches would smash into the head at speed.
From such close range, surely the bullet would pass straight through the policeman's head and strike the pavement, kicking up a cloud of dust. (The use of the melon to portray the impact of a 7.62mm on someone's head was quite dramatic, but laughable. Besides which, the shot on the melon was very probably taken from a safe distance away, not close up)
As for the lack of blood and grey matter; does the camera stay on the body long enough to ascertain any pool of blood. In my opinion, no. And (yes i know it's just a film) but anyone who watched 'Full Metal Jacket' and saw the suicide of Gomer Pyle - using an AK47 - will have seen some blood splatter on the tiles behind him, but not the disintegrating melon effect.
Finally; of course the terrorists are dead. Isn't that how these things always end?
A 7.62mm round is, indeed, a little over 5" long, as portrayed, but let's not forget that only the projectile section (the tip) enters the body. I would suggest that the photo of the 'full metal jacket 7.62mm' was shown for dramatic effect and to give the impression that all 5 plus inches would smash into the head at speed.
From such close range, surely the bullet would pass straight through the policeman's head and strike the pavement, kicking up a cloud of dust. (The use of the melon to portray the impact of a 7.62mm on someone's head was quite dramatic, but laughable. Besides which, the shot on the melon was very probably taken from a safe distance away, not close up)
As for the lack of blood and grey matter; does the camera stay on the body long enough to ascertain any pool of blood. In my opinion, no. And (yes i know it's just a film) but anyone who watched 'Full Metal Jacket' and saw the suicide of Gomer Pyle - using an AK47 - will have seen some blood splatter on the tiles behind him, but not the disintegrating melon effect.
Finally; of course the terrorists are dead. Isn't that how these things always end?
Questions.
To what purpose was it set up and by whom?
Since the world’s media and the world’s security services were focussing on this incident why hasn’t a reputable organisation picked up on this?
Could the film have been ‘doctored’?
How many people would have needed to be complicit in this conspiracy in order for it to work? Security services, police, paramedics, ambulance crews and other emergency services, film crews, passers-by?
Practically everything on the website, regardless of subject, contains words like ‘What you’re not being told’. This bunch are mighty observant
To what purpose was it set up and by whom?
Since the world’s media and the world’s security services were focussing on this incident why hasn’t a reputable organisation picked up on this?
Could the film have been ‘doctored’?
How many people would have needed to be complicit in this conspiracy in order for it to work? Security services, police, paramedics, ambulance crews and other emergency services, film crews, passers-by?
Practically everything on the website, regardless of subject, contains words like ‘What you’re not being told’. This bunch are mighty observant
The cloud of dust does not match the trajectory of the gun when it is fired.
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I would have thought the video makers would have noticed that and explained it.
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I would have thought the video makers would have noticed that and explained it.
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Private Pyle was a USMC recruit. They have American M16 carbines of .223/556mm calibre not Russian Kalashnikov's of 7.62mm/ .308 calibre
I can assure you I have seen the effect of a 7.62 Nato ball round in a melon, a plastic water filled container and a block of silica gel at a ballistics seminar I can assure you that the exit wound is a lot larger than the entry and blood and grey matter would be evident as well as skull fragments. I have also seen many crime photographs in mdcal jurisprudence books and there is a lot of mess dispersed from the exit wounds of both homicide and suicide shootings to the head. The projectile may be a small tip of the cartridge but the muzzle velocity on leaving the weapon creates a massive shock wave before it that can cause death by trauma alone in the right spot.
Private Pyle was a USMC recruit. They have American M16 carbines of .223/556mm calibre not Russian Kalashnikov's of 7.62mm/ .308 calibre
I can assure you I have seen the effect of a 7.62 Nato ball round in a melon, a plastic water filled container and a block of silica gel at a ballistics seminar I can assure you that the exit wound is a lot larger than the entry and blood and grey matter would be evident as well as skull fragments. I have also seen many crime photographs in mdcal jurisprudence books and there is a lot of mess dispersed from the exit wounds of both homicide and suicide shootings to the head. The projectile may be a small tip of the cartridge but the muzzle velocity on leaving the weapon creates a massive shock wave before it that can cause death by trauma alone in the right spot.
retrocp; on my 3rd tour of duty in Belfast in the 70's, i saw, and photographed, someone who had been killed by a shot to the head from a 7.62mm SLR from a distance of approx 35 yards. As you say, the exit wound was considerably larger than the entry wound, but the mans head was still intact. Yes, there was also some blood, bone and grey matter visible at the scene but my point was that at such close range, despite the shock waves, the bullet would have passed straight through with very little time to gather much mass to eject from the exit wound. My theory being that the round would be travelling a trifle slower (not very perceptibly but nonetheless relevant maybe) from a longer distance and would therefore gather more mass?
And didn't Private Pyle tell us that he was using "7.62mm, full metal jacket" (denoting that it wasn't a plastic tipped blank)?
And didn't Private Pyle tell us that he was using "7.62mm, full metal jacket" (denoting that it wasn't a plastic tipped blank)?
The censored video of " a policeman being shot "
shows a policeman being shot - so brutal I am not surprised that it was cut
The puff of smoke on the pavement shows a bullet strike on the pavement after it has passed through the skull.
The policeman plays dead effectively and convincingly, because he IS dead.
I am frankly surprised Ratter if he is a shoota is taken in by the American usual conspiracy b+llsh+t.
The charlie ebdo offices have been on the internet - disrupted room with blood covering the walls and floor. I am not taken in my arguments of: well they would do that, wouldnt they.
// I don't usually fall for this conspiracy stuff but I do sometimes wonder!//
Ratter you are having a bad day - take two aspirin ....
The fact that the viddie doesnt follow a glorious vidddie of shooting up a water melon just shows that even an Algerian policeman does not have a water melon head.... duuh
shows a policeman being shot - so brutal I am not surprised that it was cut
The puff of smoke on the pavement shows a bullet strike on the pavement after it has passed through the skull.
The policeman plays dead effectively and convincingly, because he IS dead.
I am frankly surprised Ratter if he is a shoota is taken in by the American usual conspiracy b+llsh+t.
The charlie ebdo offices have been on the internet - disrupted room with blood covering the walls and floor. I am not taken in my arguments of: well they would do that, wouldnt they.
// I don't usually fall for this conspiracy stuff but I do sometimes wonder!//
Ratter you are having a bad day - take two aspirin ....
The fact that the viddie doesnt follow a glorious vidddie of shooting up a water melon just shows that even an Algerian policeman does not have a water melon head.... duuh
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