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Why Has Burglary Etc Been All But Decriminalised?
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I think burglary is a disgusting crime of violation, why is it so underaratted? why do we excell on picking on householders taking measures to defend their homes and let thieving lowlives off scot free? What changes would you make to the law?
I think burglary is a disgusting crime of violation, why is it so underaratted? why do we excell on picking on householders taking measures to defend their homes and let thieving lowlives off scot free? What changes would you make to the law?
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//why do we excell on picking on householders taking measures to defend their homes //
Most correct minded people dont, however the right-on limp wristed PC brigade make such a noise (for a small minority) that it appears all are shouting from the roof tops.
Burglars should be banged up on a three strikes basis.
1st = 6 months
2nd = 10 years
3rd = You stay in for good.
End of.
Most correct minded people dont, however the right-on limp wristed PC brigade make such a noise (for a small minority) that it appears all are shouting from the roof tops.
Burglars should be banged up on a three strikes basis.
1st = 6 months
2nd = 10 years
3rd = You stay in for good.
End of.
Not according to my police force:
"The arrests come on the back of a national ‘think-tank’ report suggesting police forces in the UK are “turning a blind eye” to burglary and that house break-ins are gradually being “decriminalised”.
West Midlands Police lead for burglary, Chief Inspector Alan Simmonds, said the offence is a force priority and is always treated seriously.
He said: “To suggest we turn a blind eye to burglary is simply not true. We appreciate the distress caused by break-ins and don’t underestimate the emotional and psychological impact it has on victims, in addition to any monetary loss.
“We have specialist Acquisitive Crime Teams across the West Midlands, dedicated to investigating offences like burglary, and they’ll exhaust all available evidential opportunities to catch offenders....."
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"The arrests come on the back of a national ‘think-tank’ report suggesting police forces in the UK are “turning a blind eye” to burglary and that house break-ins are gradually being “decriminalised”.
West Midlands Police lead for burglary, Chief Inspector Alan Simmonds, said the offence is a force priority and is always treated seriously.
He said: “To suggest we turn a blind eye to burglary is simply not true. We appreciate the distress caused by break-ins and don’t underestimate the emotional and psychological impact it has on victims, in addition to any monetary loss.
“We have specialist Acquisitive Crime Teams across the West Midlands, dedicated to investigating offences like burglary, and they’ll exhaust all available evidential opportunities to catch offenders....."
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^^^ That's nearly as much stuff that comes from the rear of a bull as some bloke on the radio this morning. Some crimes are up, some are down but not enough police to deal with it so ring up , get a crime number, in a nutshell.
Bring back the stocks, build more prisons, more employment for builders and screws, make tree hugging an offence along with muesli eating.
Bring back the stocks, build more prisons, more employment for builders and screws, make tree hugging an offence along with muesli eating.
Add to the unreported crimes all the 'card fraud' that the police refuse to even acknowledge with a crime number. I bet that under 25% of crime is reported.
I had £600 taken from my account by someone who had cloned my card, the police would not even let me report it. just told me 'contact your bank, it's their problem'
I had £600 taken from my account by someone who had cloned my card, the police would not even let me report it. just told me 'contact your bank, it's their problem'
Apparently this is how burglary is tackled in Texas.
sp. Please do not read this as it might offend your sensitivities as you may be profoundly shocked that "jive talk" is alive and kicking and used by the "good old boys in the USA". I didn't write the sidelines. Still as you advised me earlier sp. //"if you can't take a joke"//
WHY NO WARNING SHOT???
Burglar's relative says:
"He could have used a warning shot first ..."
From WTTC News in Dallas , we get this heartwarming tale of a long-time criminal, 33 year old Deyfon Pipkin, who tried to climb in a window of a Texas home.
Dead burglar
The elderly owner occupant saw him and fired one shot, ending Deyfon's criminal career.
As the police do, they came by to investigate, gathered the corpse, then went to notify Deyfon's family of his unfortunate demise. It seems that the family was very upset, because they showed up at the scene.
"He could have used a warning," Lakesha Thompson, Pipkins' sister-in-law, complained. "He could have let him know that he did have a gun on his property and he would use it in self-defense."
COMMENT FROM THE SIDELINE:
"That's certainly true, Lakesha. He could also have invited him in and given him a beer, then helped him cart the TV out to the curb".
"Unfortunately for Deyfon, Texas is a Castle Doctrine State, and the homeowner chose to shoot Deyfon, as is right and proper to do in Texas ...
"For that matter, Lakesha, you could have warned Deyfon. Why didn't YOU tell him: 'Deyfon, yo' needs to quit breakin' into those peoples' houses and stealin they ***. Someone is goins to pop a cap in yo' ass.'"
"In light of the steadily increasing cost of ammunition, coupled with the rising scarcity of ammunition, a warning shot is a frivolous and unnecessary expense."
"And, in this case, a substantial savings of taxpayer money was a side result ...
no investigation expense,
no jail time awaiting trial,
no expense of a trial, and
no prison costs after sentencing.'"
sp. Please do not read this as it might offend your sensitivities as you may be profoundly shocked that "jive talk" is alive and kicking and used by the "good old boys in the USA". I didn't write the sidelines. Still as you advised me earlier sp. //"if you can't take a joke"//
WHY NO WARNING SHOT???
Burglar's relative says:
"He could have used a warning shot first ..."
From WTTC News in Dallas , we get this heartwarming tale of a long-time criminal, 33 year old Deyfon Pipkin, who tried to climb in a window of a Texas home.
Dead burglar
The elderly owner occupant saw him and fired one shot, ending Deyfon's criminal career.
As the police do, they came by to investigate, gathered the corpse, then went to notify Deyfon's family of his unfortunate demise. It seems that the family was very upset, because they showed up at the scene.
"He could have used a warning," Lakesha Thompson, Pipkins' sister-in-law, complained. "He could have let him know that he did have a gun on his property and he would use it in self-defense."
COMMENT FROM THE SIDELINE:
"That's certainly true, Lakesha. He could also have invited him in and given him a beer, then helped him cart the TV out to the curb".
"Unfortunately for Deyfon, Texas is a Castle Doctrine State, and the homeowner chose to shoot Deyfon, as is right and proper to do in Texas ...
"For that matter, Lakesha, you could have warned Deyfon. Why didn't YOU tell him: 'Deyfon, yo' needs to quit breakin' into those peoples' houses and stealin they ***. Someone is goins to pop a cap in yo' ass.'"
"In light of the steadily increasing cost of ammunition, coupled with the rising scarcity of ammunition, a warning shot is a frivolous and unnecessary expense."
"And, in this case, a substantial savings of taxpayer money was a side result ...
no investigation expense,
no jail time awaiting trial,
no expense of a trial, and
no prison costs after sentencing.'"
I'm afraid it has been this way for many years as far as I am aware.
I would often be called to a burglary by the Police to make repairs and secure the property for the owner after the damage was done.
If I arrived before the Police or the victim, sometimes I would be waiting for ages and would wonder if I had the right address. When I phoned the local Police station to check they had given me the right details... more often than not, they didn't have any details, as it hadn't been recorded in the day book.
If you don't record it .. you can easily reduce crime figures !
When you get your council tax bill and the little pamphlet that is included about crime usually says ... "Crime is down by " so many %
I wonder how they manage that with even less police officers than they had in the previous year ?
Simple don't record it !
I would often be called to a burglary by the Police to make repairs and secure the property for the owner after the damage was done.
If I arrived before the Police or the victim, sometimes I would be waiting for ages and would wonder if I had the right address. When I phoned the local Police station to check they had given me the right details... more often than not, they didn't have any details, as it hadn't been recorded in the day book.
If you don't record it .. you can easily reduce crime figures !
When you get your council tax bill and the little pamphlet that is included about crime usually says ... "Crime is down by " so many %
I wonder how they manage that with even less police officers than they had in the previous year ?
Simple don't record it !
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I am afraid I will agree with you on that point. Back in the 70's an officer would attend the scene of a burglary and request a SOCO to attend if he assessed there were worthwile evidence to be obtained i.e. fingerprints/footprints/bloodstains etc. If the value of property stolen exceeded a certain amount the CID took over the investigation.
It rapidly became a rather diluted crime. No SOCOS. NO CID.NO recordable crime. An insurance issue now.That new approach quite frankly embarrassed me and disgusted me when I lamely had to tell the victim to just contact their insurance company.
I was also pretty peed off that when a stolen vehicle was discovered on the patch(Usually because of hundreds of parking tickets attached) the vehicle was towed/driven into the station yard to be held in safe police custody until the owner was informed and invited to collect it.That system also changed.
Car discovered on street and enquiries by police find it had been stolen .
Owner who may live in Newcastle is told that his stolen car is in Sussex Gardens Paddington and remains in situ by police. Owner attends scene and finds car is not where local police told him it could be found. Irate owner attends police station and says his car is no longer there. Explanation is given "Oh well it must be on the move again" That is not providing a service to the public and in my book is a serious neglect of duty.
I am afraid I will agree with you on that point. Back in the 70's an officer would attend the scene of a burglary and request a SOCO to attend if he assessed there were worthwile evidence to be obtained i.e. fingerprints/footprints/bloodstains etc. If the value of property stolen exceeded a certain amount the CID took over the investigation.
It rapidly became a rather diluted crime. No SOCOS. NO CID.NO recordable crime. An insurance issue now.That new approach quite frankly embarrassed me and disgusted me when I lamely had to tell the victim to just contact their insurance company.
I was also pretty peed off that when a stolen vehicle was discovered on the patch(Usually because of hundreds of parking tickets attached) the vehicle was towed/driven into the station yard to be held in safe police custody until the owner was informed and invited to collect it.That system also changed.
Car discovered on street and enquiries by police find it had been stolen .
Owner who may live in Newcastle is told that his stolen car is in Sussex Gardens Paddington and remains in situ by police. Owner attends scene and finds car is not where local police told him it could be found. Irate owner attends police station and says his car is no longer there. Explanation is given "Oh well it must be on the move again" That is not providing a service to the public and in my book is a serious neglect of duty.
There was a case locally which caused quite a stink.A guy working late one Friday evening noticed 6-7 people moving about at unit across the road.Knowing this particular firm always finished early on Fridays he told the police who told him they would handle it.After about an hour and three phone calls to the police the visitors finished loading their van and drove off after a final call to the police telling them the intruders had finished loading their van and guy went home.On Monday he arrived to find a very angry business man and a load of coppers,going over to talk to them he told them what had happened explaining that he wasn't prepared to confront a number of men by himself but he had called the police.The Officer in charge in what the guy described as a rather patronising tone that no records of his called existed. The guy returned to his office and returned with a note book telling the copper that he had better talk to officers **** and ***** and fined out why they hadn't booked in the calls they'd received at such and such times.The local paper picked it up there were lots of red faces, a few reprimands but no arrests and no recovered goods.
Just in case some wonder what a Castle Doctrine state is in the US.
It does pass some scorn with regards the UK householder's treatment when dealing with uninvited intruders with evil intent.
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It does pass some scorn with regards the UK householder's treatment when dealing with uninvited intruders with evil intent.
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talking of texas it reminds me of a case where a householder saw some burglars breaking into his neighbours garage so he called the police and they said they were busy and couldn't send anyone for a while. Ok so he hung up, waited 2 minutes and called them back, "Hi I just called about some burglars next door, don't bother comming I just shot them" and hung up. Police were there in 2 minutes and saw the burglars and arrested them, then said to the householder: "I thought you said you shot them", the householder replied: "I thought you said you didn't have anyone!"!
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