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What Is Wrong With Promoting British Values?
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//Someone on here mentioned the Nazis//
'twas me.
//, well just like those Nazi teachers our children are being brainwashed by them. //
Brainwashed is quite a strong word. If true, we should be able to getvtgese kids to recite, by rote, these things that they've been brainwashed with, yes?
What sort of things do they say? (Or what things do you *think* they will say?)
See my other post above, where the journalist asked them about their political stance and none of them knew even the basics of what various parties stand for.
//Someone on here mentioned the Nazis//
'twas me.
//, well just like those Nazi teachers our children are being brainwashed by them. //
Brainwashed is quite a strong word. If true, we should be able to getvtgese kids to recite, by rote, these things that they've been brainwashed with, yes?
What sort of things do they say? (Or what things do you *think* they will say?)
See my other post above, where the journalist asked them about their political stance and none of them knew even the basics of what various parties stand for.
"....the UK isn't a child friendly place"
Of course, you jest. The entire country is centred around children and their needs. Pubs have been given over to children (once a safe haven from their grizzling); many restaurants fall over themselves to provide a "family" atmosphere (i.e. one where children prevail); places where "kids eat free" (i.e. partially at the cost of people who do not dine with them) are plentiful; holiday companies povide "thousands of kids free places"; the cast of Thompson airlines' safety briefing video are children; at any school holiday time "family" (i.e. children's) films dominate the TV schedules; many public attractions (museums and the like) have been dumbed down to accommodate children.
Need I go on?
Of course, you jest. The entire country is centred around children and their needs. Pubs have been given over to children (once a safe haven from their grizzling); many restaurants fall over themselves to provide a "family" atmosphere (i.e. one where children prevail); places where "kids eat free" (i.e. partially at the cost of people who do not dine with them) are plentiful; holiday companies povide "thousands of kids free places"; the cast of Thompson airlines' safety briefing video are children; at any school holiday time "family" (i.e. children's) films dominate the TV schedules; many public attractions (museums and the like) have been dumbed down to accommodate children.
Need I go on?
How would British values be promoted at school?
I'm not saying they shouldn't be - but exactly how would it be written into the curriculum?
And which values would be taught?
Would there be a separate subject called 'British Values'?
Would this subject be part of the exam stream, with tests and a qualification at the end?
If British values are not to be taught, but be promoted, how would Ofsted work out whether a school was failing in it's obligations to promote British values?
What if some of the values were not actually British, but common to all decent people?
Honesty, fair play and hard work are values which I think we can all agree are explicitly (although not exclusively) British - but don't we EXPECT that to be promoted in our educational establishments?
Perhaps the ATL have come to the conclusion, that the whole idea of 'promotion' of British values is so woolly and ill-defined as to be largely useless?
I'm not saying they shouldn't be - but exactly how would it be written into the curriculum?
And which values would be taught?
Would there be a separate subject called 'British Values'?
Would this subject be part of the exam stream, with tests and a qualification at the end?
If British values are not to be taught, but be promoted, how would Ofsted work out whether a school was failing in it's obligations to promote British values?
What if some of the values were not actually British, but common to all decent people?
Honesty, fair play and hard work are values which I think we can all agree are explicitly (although not exclusively) British - but don't we EXPECT that to be promoted in our educational establishments?
Perhaps the ATL have come to the conclusion, that the whole idea of 'promotion' of British values is so woolly and ill-defined as to be largely useless?
Obviously I cant speak for the Judge, but children in my young days just followed what was deemed appropriate British values, it came naturally because we knew our country, not like today's children who are so confused by the all the different religions, customs, and traditions.
As is often said "if our parents or grand parents where to come back from the dead, they would not even recognise that they had come back to the country that they had left".
As is often said "if our parents or grand parents where to come back from the dead, they would not even recognise that they had come back to the country that they had left".
Children today are not 'confused' by all the different religions and cultures because they are taught about it in schools. Instead of the christian faith being forced on children as the only religion, now in RE they are taught about different beliefs, and what and why people think like they do. This is a good thing and should be encouraged, as even though we don't agree with something we can't make an informed decision without knowing the facts. Through his RE lessons at school, my 11 year old knew more about Muslims,Bhuddists and Seiks than I ever will. Young people today are much less bigotted and racist than their grandparents generation. Only the other day my 14 year old corrected my mother when she called someone a P4ki.
It's true that people from two generations ago or so would no longer recognise the country, for many reasons.
What is rather less clear-cut is why this is a bad thing. Or indeed why this quote means anything at all. It's also true that people from the Tudor period, or the Stone Age, or the Romans, wouldn't recognise the modern world (or each other's, for that matter). This hardly implies that we are therefore worse off then they were. The world changes. In many significant ways, this has been for the better. Regardless of what may be improved by reverting to a mythical "golden age" of our grandparents' world, all that myriad positive changes would be lost with it.
I hope that in 60 years' time or so I no longer recognise the country I live in. It would be a sign of overall progress.
What is rather less clear-cut is why this is a bad thing. Or indeed why this quote means anything at all. It's also true that people from the Tudor period, or the Stone Age, or the Romans, wouldn't recognise the modern world (or each other's, for that matter). This hardly implies that we are therefore worse off then they were. The world changes. In many significant ways, this has been for the better. Regardless of what may be improved by reverting to a mythical "golden age" of our grandparents' world, all that myriad positive changes would be lost with it.
I hope that in 60 years' time or so I no longer recognise the country I live in. It would be a sign of overall progress.
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