Start Of The Slippery Slope For Dave ?

[mikey4444]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/09/labour-moves-ahead-of-tories-on-the-day-the-polls-turned

Ed fights back !

[naomi24]

Mikey, Haha! Whatever happens, do you really think Labour will hang on to the embarrassment that is Ed Miliband as leader?

//I am no fair-weather Labour supporter !//

That’s the result of indoctrination.

[dave50]

Who are all these people who intend to vote Labour? Have they got such short memories? I really don't understand the mentality of the British electorate. I despair.

[mikey4444]

Naomi....why when I vote Labour its a process of "indoctrination" but when you vote Tory it isn't ? How does that work out ?

And yes I do expect Labour to hang on to a Leader that has just won them the Election....why would any Party ditch its successful Leader ? Still puzzled !

The Tories ditched 3 consecutive Leaders, from 1997 onwards, because they lost Elections. And they will do the same with dave, when he loses. After all, Boris has been waiting patiently in the wings for ages now !

[naomi24]

Mikey, people who are capable of retaining their powers of reason are not indoctrinated. You don’t have that. You are willing to risk anything in order to see a Labour government in office – even if that means a government manipulated by people whose only ambition is to benefit themselves regardless of the cost to anyone else or to the country as a whole. Why? Simply because your ‘old dad’ was Labour and proud of it and therefore so are you, seems to be the answer. You've conveniently forgotten the appalling administration of the last Labour governments and you haven’t actually considered the disastrous effect a Labour government would have on this country now - or, indeed, what they really have to offer. Think!

[jim360]

Can I assume that the Tory party's strongest selling point is not "we won't have a disastrous effect on the country"?

[naomi24]

Jim, that doesn't make sense. Try it without the 'not'.

[jim360]

That is actually what I meant to say -- unfortunately, AB doesn't do double italics so I couldn't emphasise the not as I wanted to.

Replace "not" with "... in fact something other than...", if it helps.

[naomi24]

Given a choice between 'disaster' and 'otherwise', otherwise has to be the sensible option.

[jim360]

All the same, it would be nice if the Tory's selling point were more optimistic, no?

[mikey4444]

Naomi...for the 2nd time I have been thinking, and I shall continue to vote Labour. Not just because I come from a proud Labour voting family, but because I consider Labour is better than the Tories. You used to agree but now don't, which is your privilege of course. But in the 2010 Election, 8,606,517 people voted Labour, so its hardly an unusual occurrence to vote me to Labour as well.

The Tories were and still are capable of "appalling administrations" as was proved from 1979 to 1997, when most people voted Labour, you included !

Presumably you thought that the Tories were not worth voting for in 1997, otherwise you wouldn't have voted Labour would you ?

So, by voting Tory in a few days time, perhaps its you that have "conveniently forgotten the appalling administration of the last Tory governments"

[Marshwarble]

Who is voting Labour? Possibly the members of the public sector who were sacked?

[naomi24]

Jim, by your own admission that ‘selling point’ is your own assumption. Not really a lot to say about that is there. It’s a silly argument.

Mikey, //The Tories were and still are capable of "appalling administrations" as was proved from 1979 to 1997, when most people voted Labour, you included !//

You’re mistaken. I voted Labour only at the beginning because it soon became evident that the electorate had been hoodwinked. If determinedly supporting liars and charlatans makes you proud, then I feel very sorry for you.