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It has been asked many times why many Tories are "shy", here's why:
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Can you imagine this from dissapointed Tories had Labour won. They even defaced a WWII memorial. The left should hang their heads in shame.
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Can you imagine this from dissapointed Tories had Labour won. They even defaced a WWII memorial. The left should hang their heads in shame.
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Dear oh dear, I thought the barrels were going to get a rest after the campaigning was over :-)
If you still have a victim mentality after such a great victory, on the strength of a few idiots in Downing Street (and I am not referring to Cameron and Osborne here for the time being :-) ) then I am almost glad you won.
What would it have been like if you'd lost!
If you still have a victim mentality after such a great victory, on the strength of a few idiots in Downing Street (and I am not referring to Cameron and Osborne here for the time being :-) ) then I am almost glad you won.
What would it have been like if you'd lost!
dear oh dear, can we expect the same thread from every triumphalist Tory?
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We have been forced to put up with you over the years, darling.
We have been forced to put up with you over the years, darling.
I think the left are entitled to be in a bad mood. Although it's obviously impossible to prove, my suspicion is that the Tory vote has been a bit inflated because of fears of a Lab-SNP coalition pushing people towards voting Tory. This isn't entirely unreasonable, either to suspect or even to have voted that way. The fact is that Labour collapsed in Scotland to an extent that they are lucky to have even got one seat, and to have even picked up about 25% of the vote -- tactical voting coming from people who would otherwise have been Conservative or Lib Dem voters switching to the Labour party to try, in vain, to keep the SNP out, has probably served to left the Labour vote share above 20%.
And this collapse north of the border meant that there was only a small chance of an outright Labour majority. A chance all the same -- but one that disappeared once the "stop the SNP having any influence" argument was made, repeatedly. But then, shouldn't Labour have had a bigger chance to win? After five years of Tory-dominated coalition implementing various unpopular policies, and being less than successful anyway, for that matter, Labour should have been doing well enough to be at least threatening to have a majority. That they did not is a failure of the leadership in being convincing enough.
I'm not convinced it's a triumph for democracy and I am hopeful that people from all sides of politics will appreciate how short-changed many people have been. I absolutely condemn the violent side of the protest. But I don't think it's unreasonable to feel disappointed, even angry, at how things have turned out. How you express your anger ought to be far more reasonable -- and where you direct it ought to be just as much at the Labour leadership, now gone thankfully, as at anyone else.
And this collapse north of the border meant that there was only a small chance of an outright Labour majority. A chance all the same -- but one that disappeared once the "stop the SNP having any influence" argument was made, repeatedly. But then, shouldn't Labour have had a bigger chance to win? After five years of Tory-dominated coalition implementing various unpopular policies, and being less than successful anyway, for that matter, Labour should have been doing well enough to be at least threatening to have a majority. That they did not is a failure of the leadership in being convincing enough.
I'm not convinced it's a triumph for democracy and I am hopeful that people from all sides of politics will appreciate how short-changed many people have been. I absolutely condemn the violent side of the protest. But I don't think it's unreasonable to feel disappointed, even angry, at how things have turned out. How you express your anger ought to be far more reasonable -- and where you direct it ought to be just as much at the Labour leadership, now gone thankfully, as at anyone else.
I quote Kinnock who said "I blame the people for succumbing to what Marx called "False consciousness". It is a matter of Mood and self delusion that makes people eventually, regardless of what they feel they should be doing when they speak to the opinion pollsters, take a different view with that stub of pencil in the privacy of the polling both.
So the people are idiots is what he is trying to say!!!
So the people are idiots is what he is trying to say!!!
There was actually remarkably little in the way of sour grapes in the acceptance speeches of so many of the defeated candidates.
Without wishing to come across as all pompous I think that is what makes us if not unique then definitely unusual when it comes to elections. Strong emotions are raised but at heart everyone knows that it is the will of the people that has spoken, and done so moreover in a reasonably free and untrammelled way.
You get Nick Clegg etc stood next to some oddly attired member of the MRLP etc, awaiting his fate, as notably Thatcher did in 1987, stood next to Lord Buckethead no less at the count in Finchley :-)
Without wishing to come across as all pompous I think that is what makes us if not unique then definitely unusual when it comes to elections. Strong emotions are raised but at heart everyone knows that it is the will of the people that has spoken, and done so moreover in a reasonably free and untrammelled way.
You get Nick Clegg etc stood next to some oddly attired member of the MRLP etc, awaiting his fate, as notably Thatcher did in 1987, stood next to Lord Buckethead no less at the count in Finchley :-)
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