Here Comes Totalitarianism.

[Canary42]

Big Brother speaks.

Britain is too “passively tolerant” and should not leave people to live their lives as they please just because they obey the law, David Cameron has said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html

But this doesn't apply to fat cats, right wing press barons, and bankers of course.

[jim360]

No it's not khandro. It's popular myth. No crimes in the UK carry the death penalty any more.

[naomi24]

Krom, It's a strange anomaly indeed when liberal indigenous Brits support freedoms for people whose fundamental agenda is ultimately to deny freedom of any sort to anyone who refuses to concede to their twisted, hateful, philosophy. If those 'run-of-the-mill nuts' you spoke to had their way, they wouldn't be talking to you, Sharia law would reign, and you would be dead. Just how much freedom do you want to give them?

To say that the proposals the government is suggesting will make criminals of us all is not only alarmist - it is quite wrong. The proposals, if implemented, will only affect the rest of the population insofar as they will afford the country greater security. You say perhaps we should be more idealistic, but there are none more idealistic - or more 'creepy' - than Muslim extremists - and they welcome your idealism because it inadvertently assists their cause. They are laughing at you.

We need to acknowledge the fact that with radical Islam there is, and never can be, any sort of compromise - it is like nothing we have ever encountered - and the government, rather than coming under attack from the very people it is attempting to protect, should be commended for doing everything in its power to combat what is, in reality, an extremely dangerous enemy within, the threat from which is growing daily.

[Khandro]

Jim; I stand corrected; I once worked for Amnesty international and the offences then were; causing a fire or explosion in a naval dockyard, ship, magazine or warehouse (until 1971);
espionage (until 1981);
piracy with violence (until 1998),
treason (until 1998), and
certain purely military offences under the jurisdiction of the armed forces, such as mutiny (until 1998)

I stopped working for them in 1995, since then the last ones were removed by our signing the European Rights act I was unaware of that.

[Kromovaracun]

I don't care if they are laughing at me, because their opinion of me isn't that important to me. They can laugh all they want. And yes, I am well aware that if they were in charge they would kill me in a heartbeat. But they're not. My side is, and we're different. We don't believe in persecuting people for the things they say or think, even if we don't like it.

[naomi24]

Krom, persecution is defined as "a programme or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate people based on their membership in a religious, ethnic, social, or racial group". This is none of those things. This is a programme designed to prevent people whose clear intention is to create mayhem in this country and to harm its populace, from succeeding. When translated into action what they say and think is not a pleasant prospect for any of us. That has been demonstrated. We remain complacent at our peril.

[Kromovaracun]

It doesn't matter "if what they say or think is not a pleasant prospect." They are thoughts and words, and they are their right as British citizens, whether we (or they) like it or not. We already have perfectly sensible laws against conspiracy to commit crime and against treason and terrorism. Extremism is something we have to learn to live with if our society is worth defending at all.

[naomi24]

Krom, I said "When translated into action what they say and think is not a pleasant prospect for any of us". Unfortunately they have no intention of restricting their diatribe and their thoughts to simply that - they fully intend to translate them into actions. Learning to live with extremism of this nature means that innocent people will die, just as many have already died, and personally I am not prepared to concede the right of every peace-loving member of this society, whatever their colour, creed, gender, or sexual orientation, to live their lives in safety for the benefit of mad men.